Public service announcement for newfags especially:
this is an example of how to discuss things for real, without shill crap
some of you fags have a natural inclination to reply to IP-hopping shills, so here goes:
Do not reply to shills!
You're wasting bread and shitting it up. Shill arguments are intentionally flawed to keep you engaged and away from discussing a real issue. Filter or ignore as you see fit and move on