>>6514211

If a kid is born in Kansas in 1888 to parents born in Kansas, what's it's citizenship?

If a kid is born in Kansas in 1888 to a mother born in Mexico and a father born in Kansas, what's it's citizenship?

In the 2nd case, you'd have to look up the law at the time of birth because the kid would not always have been a US citizen. It would be a US citizen at this point in time because a change in immigration law naturalized it.

The first case is natural born because you don't need a law to determine it. A child of natives is natural born.

Citizen at birth does not equal a natural born citizen.

>>6514122

>I thought the problem was that his mom had not been a citizen long enough over the age of 16, or something like that, when she gave birth overseas.

That issue would only determine if Obama was even a US citizen. If born overseas the mother was too young to pass on US citizenship (according to imm. laws at the time). That's what the big todo about Hawaii is about. Was he even a US citizen?

Natural born means you apply laws of nature to citizenship. A child of the natives is natural born. What else could it be?

It's when non-natives or foreign soil is involved that laws of men have to be made to determine if the baby will be naturalized or not. If a law is involved the baby is not natural born.

>>6514498

Yes. Children of parents who are citizens are natural born.

Wong Kim determined birthright citizenship, but don't see where it says he was natural born, according to Vattel.