Anonymous ID: ac5b0b May 28, 2019, 9:50 p.m. No.6614767   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4787 >>5135

>>6614420 (lb)

 

I'm afraid that the Romans 9:6-8 interpretation is wrong and doesn't prove that there is a "spritual Israel" which is the true Israel.

 

The literal words are:

And it is not possible that the word of God hath failed; for not all who [are] of Israel are these Israel; nor because they are seed of Abraham [are] all children, but – `in Isaac shall a seed be called to thee;' that is, the children of the flesh – these [are] not children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for seed

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+9&version=YLT

 

What this literally says is that not all of Abraham's descendants are Israel - only those that are also descents of Isaac are, because these are the "children of the promise".

 

This is because Abraham had a son already - Ishmael - before the promise ("mutilate the genitals of thy sons and thy slaves") was made. (Genesis 17:10-14)

 

Genesis 17:18-22 makes it clear that Isaac is part of this gruesome covenant and Ishmael isn't:

 

And Abraham saith unto God, O that Ishmael may live before Thee;' and God saith,Sarah thy wife is certainly bearing a son to thee, and thou hast called his name Isaac, and I have established My covenant with him, for a covenant age-during, to his seed after him.

 

As to Ishmael, I have heard thee; lo, I have blessed him, and made him fruitful, and multiplied him, very exceedingly; twelve princes doth he beget, and I have made him become a great nation; and My covenant I establish with Isaac, whom Sarah doth bear to thee at this appointed time in the next year;' and He finisheth speaking with him, and God goeth up from Abraham.

Anonymous ID: ac5b0b May 28, 2019, 9:55 p.m. No.6614802   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>6614787

 

Yes, perhaps it is, but that's not what Romans 9:6-8 says.

 

That part of Romans just repeats the part of Genesis specifying that Isaac and his descendants are parts of the deal, but Abraham's other descendants aren't.