now that's just mean
What parts, because the narrative is so long and detailed, do you feel that Mr. Velikovsky got right?
the 2800 year cycle of the 12th planet that is shown as the winged globe?
are we at the cusp of that cycle when the 12th planet returns?
What about the quick freeze of puppydogs and Mamouths in Siberia? Was that a burst of plasma that converted into water for a quick freeze and instant ice-age?
why did they ban them?
I think some of them were obvious mockery.
Some of them were obvious fiction.
The main objection to Gnostics is that they believe that salvation must be a 'learned' thing.
the Church says 'Salvation is from the Grace of our Lord'.
for example the quick study of this: if a baby dies before being baptised? what happens to it?
Very important for the mother to know this when it happens to her baby.
The Gnostic would say 'well, it couldn't learn about God, so it must have gone to hell'.
that is proabably one of the main reasons that Gnosticism was put into the shit-can of history (where it belongs).
I gave my opinon at the end of this.
here is another point: if you want 'sauce' for this I read Elaine Pagels copiously and also have read through texts that were considered 'gnostic', mostly material called the Dag Hammarodi (Spelling is always my short coming).
Gnosticism is saying that you must 'learn' to be saved. That is rejected by the church.
The Church said: that's all bullshit, don't patronize them, they are charlatans, whatever you learn from them is wicked and of Satan.
Were they wrong? You might call him Saturn.
I mean when you get to the part about Sophia . . . don't you understand that it's a story?
I don't speak for him.
He's definitely got the last WORD
and the first one too. and the only one.
Ya, I think that people put the Gospels up as him rejecting 'The Jews' but in fact it's him rejecting any human institionally corrupt leadership that has desdain for the populatin whom they rule, and doesn't follow rule of law or anything more that tyrannical dictates.
So the instititions like that would probably get a do-over if he were on the board of directors.
Your statement seems fair in the present day in the form it's in, and the conditions of current populations.
But 'the church' did reject, rather strongly, 'gnosticism'.
I'm tlaking about the historical church from 1700 years ago or so.
"the church" is a very heavy phrase with a lot of different meanings.
I would hope that Jesus would have something real to comment about the way that the current Vatican is run. You know he must!
I like this anon's meaning of 'the church' and I am sure that he/she knows that this is not the only meaning.
And this anon is correct to say "he will never abandon us".
Don't ask me for sauce, ask Jesus, himself.
oh, the current catholic church? only parts of it are abominable.
I was thinking more about the Impeachment hearings.
you've really attached yourself to this idea today.
is that a form of idolatry?
your 'important reveal' is a form of covetousness.
you reveal a nature that some might call 'sinful' by dwelling within your conflation.
which truth do you suggest?
is a skeptic who tries to untangle your taught knots not trying to liberate you? liberate you to the truth?
Or why don't we each have good idea and bad and niether of us is the sole source: I can help you, you can help me?
you speak in absolutes about things that you can't really know.
so now we see a difference between us.
you direct people to 'go to sleep'
my suggestion is 'Wake Up!'
you might be right about some things, and I might take your direction in your area of expertise.
but you are not right about everything and no one should be subjected to a hazing of 'my word or your damn eternal'.
Wake up! the time for being asleep is over.
so now it's your turn with the tact that everything I say is wrong and everything you say is right, which is clearly a wrong position, anyone can just see.
I am not your child
your operational nonsense has no effect on me
your position of being a false authority is obvious to any one here.
you have the demenor of a gaslighting abuser.
no one should use you as a mentor.