Anonymous ID: 95f37e Livy Part I March 4, 2020, 8:47 a.m. No.8316453   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>6466 >>6515 >>6530 >>6536 >>6582 >>6599 >>6617 >>6625 >>6662 >>6805 >>6872 >>6926 >>6991 >>7020

Anons, I apologize for the long text, but I believe you will find this very interesting! I am currently reading Livy’s History of Rome (highly recommend to everyone), in Book 39 Livy covers an incident in Roman where a secret death/sex cult (Bacchanalia) was exposed by the Consuls after a secret investigation and subsequently punished under the authority of the Senate. The parallels to what President Trump and the Q Team are doing today are uncanny!

 

But first remember what God tells us through King Solomon:

 

>The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

 

-Ecclesiastes 1:9-11

 

What we are experiencing now in the United States has happened before in Rome, and likely many other empires throughout history.

 

The History of Rome

By: Titus Livy

Book 39 chapters 1-19

 

Here are some highlights:

 

Roman takes a break from foreign wars in order to solve a serious domestic conspiracy. President Trump’s foreign policy is following this same pattern.

 

>During the following year the consuls Sp. Postumius Albinus and Q. Marcius Philippus had their attention diverted from the army and the wars, and the administration of provinces, by the necessity of putting down a domestic conspiracy.

 

The executive authority in Rome, the Consels, were tasked with investigating the secret conspiracy. Just as JS, WB, and Q+.

 

>Both the consuls were charged with the investigation into the secret conspiracies.

 

The party life, the old and corrupt drawing in the young and naïve through the temptation of carnal pleasures. Once inside, the youth were defiled and corrupted, making them prisoners to the cult/lifestyle. Those who grew a conscience, refusing to participate in the debauchery - were ritually sacrificed. No witnesses. Satan’s trap.

 

>…secret nocturnal mysteries. At first these were divulged to only a few; then they began to spread amongst both men and women, and the attractions of wine and feasting increased the number of his followers. When they were heated with wine and the nightly commingling of men and women, those of tender age with their seniors, had extinguished all sense of modesty, debaucheries of every kind commenced; each had pleasures at hand to satisfy the lust he was most prone to. Nor was the mischief confined to the promiscuous intercourse of men and women; false witness, the forging of seals and testaments, and false informations, all proceeded from the same source, as also poisonings and murders of families where the bodies could not even be found for burial. Many crimes were committed by treachery; most by violence, which was kept secret, because the cries of those who were being violated or murdered could not be heard owing to the noise of drums and cymbals. This pestilential evil penetrated from Etruria to Rome like a contagious disease.

 

The Consul’s chief witness was more afraid of the cult members taking revenge on her than offending the “gods” (her understanding of religion and morality).

 

>At length she became calm, and after bitterly reproaching Aebutius for the return he had made after all she had done for him, and declared that while she stood in great fear of the gods, whose occult mysteries she was revealing, she stood in much greater fear of men who would tear her to pieces if she turned informer. So she begged…

 

The cult was started by women for women. As Q says, follow the wives…

 

>At first they were confined to women; no male was admitted,

 

>Paculla Annia, a Campanian, when she was priestess, made a complete change, as though by divine monition, for she was the first to admit men, and she initiated her own sons, Minius Cerinnius and Herennius Cerinnius. At the same time she made the rite a nocturnal one, and instead of three days in the year celebrated it five times a month.

 

Orgies, murder, regarding nothing as impious or criminal was the sum of their religion. Epstein Island.

 

>When once the mysteries had assumed this promiscuous character, and men were mingled with women with all the licence of nocturnal orgies, there was no crime, no deed of shame, wanting. More uncleanness was wrought by men with men than with women. Whoever would not submit to defilement, or shrank from violating others, was sacrificed as a victim. To regard nothing as impious or criminal was the very sum of their religion.

Anonymous ID: 95f37e Livy Part II March 4, 2020, 8:50 a.m. No.8316466   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>6486 >>6522 >>6530 >>6543 >>6553 >>6599 >>6805 >>6872 >>6991 >>7020

>>8316453

The Roman swamp.

 

>They formed an immense multitude, almost equal to the population of Rome; amongst them were members of noble families both men and women.

 

The investigation broke the witness.

 

>When she had finished giving her evidence, she fell on her knees and again begged the consul to send her abroad.

 

The investigation into the cult didn’t create a public disturbance.

 

>The senate were greatly alarmed for the public safety; these secret conspiracies and nocturnal gatherings were a danger to the State; and they were alarmed for themselves, lest their own relations and friends might be involved. They passed a vote of thanks to the consul for having conducted his investigations so carefully and without creating any public disturbance. Then, arming the consuls with extraordinary powers, they placed in their hands the inquiry into the proceedings at the Bacchanalia and the nocturnal rites.

 

When the hammer of justice came, it shocked the Roman world. Great awakening.

 

>They then ordered the resolutions of the senate to be read, and offered a reward for any one who should bring a guilty person before the consuls, or give in his name if he were not forthcoming. In the case of any one who had been denounced and then taken to flight, they would fix a day for him to answer the charge, and if he failed to appear, he would be condemned in his absence; for any one who was abroad at the time they would extend the date should he wish to make his defence. They then published an edict forbidding any one to sell or buy anything for the purpose of flight, or to receive, harbour, or in any way assist those who fled. After the Assembly had broken up, the whole of the City was thoroughly alarmed. Nor was the alarm confined within the walls of the City or the frontiers of Rome; there was uneasiness and consternation throughout the whole of Italy when letters began to arrive announcing the resolutions of the senate, the proceedings in the Assembly and the edict of the consuls.

 

Many of the guilty committed suicide, attempted to flee, were captured and executed. All justice was carried out lawfully.

 

> Many names were handed in, and some of these, both men and women, committed suicide. It was asserted that more than 7000 of both sexes were implicated in the conspiracy. The ringleaders were, it appears, the two Atinii, Marcus and Caius, both members of the Roman plebs; L. Opiternius of Falerium, and Minius Cerrinius, a Campanian. They were the authors of all the crime and outrage, the high priests and founders of the cult. Care was taken that they should be arrested as soon as possible, and when brought before the consuls they at once made a complete confession.

 

>So great, however, was the number of those who fled from the City that law-suits and rights of property were in numerous cases lost by default, and the praetors were compelled through the intervention of the senate to adjourn their courts for a month, to allow the consuls to complete their investigations.

 

Give the whole event a read here: https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/Livy/Livy39.html

 

For additional reading/research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacchanalia

 

It’s worth your time!

Anonymous ID: 95f37e March 4, 2020, 9:11 a.m. No.8316569   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>8316543

 

Thanks anon,

 

From the Wikipedia page on Bacchanalia:

 

>Livy, writing some 200 years after the event, offers a scandalised, extremely colourful account of the Bacchanalia. Modern scholarship takes a skeptical approach to his allegations of frenzied rites, sexually violent initiations of both sexes, all ages and all social classes, and the cult as a murderous instrument of conspiracy against the state. Livy claims that seven thousand cult leaders and followers were arrested, and that most were executed.

 

Note the contempt for Livy's account.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacchanalia

Anonymous ID: 95f37e March 4, 2020, 9:18 a.m. No.8316609   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>6637 >>6688

>>8316553

 

Great point.

 

>All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances, And one man in his time plays many parts

 

-As You Like It

 

>For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?  What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

-Romans 9:16-24

Anonymous ID: 95f37e March 4, 2020, 9:33 a.m. No.8316706   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>7043

>>8316582

thank you anon, and great point. I personally have been crushing the classics through Audible. I am amazed almost daily about how much I was never taught.

 

It also occurred to me, all the great leaders of history read the classics, therefore, so should we.

 

For example, Livy's History of Rome inspired Niccolo Machiavelli when writing

 

>The Prince

>The Discourses on Livy

>The Art of War

 

Highly recommend the productions by Audio Connoisseur, narrated by Charlton Griffin.

 

https://www.audioconnoisseur.com/index.html#issue/1

 

(you can find them on audible) https://www.audible.com/search?publisher=Audio+Connoisseur

Anonymous ID: 95f37e March 4, 2020, 9:42 a.m. No.8316749   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>8316617

Amen, I am a born again Christian. I am interested in the truth, and I have come to find that the academic world is an information gate keeper designed to protect the ruling class. Like many, the Q movement has motivated me to seek out primary sources in all subjects (history, news, religion, life etc). Livy isn't a primary source technically, as the subjects he writes on were before his time - from the books of his that have survived to today. But he is far more primary than anything the mainstream academic world is putting out.

Anonymous ID: 95f37e March 4, 2020, 9:46 a.m. No.8316773   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>8316662

 

This is why we must all pray for the President, his family, the Q Team, the Military, and everyone working on the side of righteousness and the constitution. We must pray for their defense in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is power in his name.

 

>Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

 

-James 2:19