>>8357127

>Of course I do, and I acknowledge your intent. However, the "Prayer to St. Michael" is extremely dangerous because, as worded, it is misleading.

Disagree. It was removed from the Mass by the Satanic infiltrators, because it was effective. There's a reason Q uses St. Michael. Satan hates him!

>Incorrect. Arguing that I'm ignoring a Tradition put together by man is a specious argument.

It is not, because I do not hold to Sola Scriptura.

>Your Bible was put together by men, too. The three books excluded from the protestant version of the Bible were excluded because they contained logical fallacies in the face of the teachings of Christ. They are nonetheless studied separately as historical texts known as "The Apocrypha".

Agree, but I don't hold to Sola Scriptura, so this isn't a criticism that you can level against me, it is, in fact, specious. You are the one who holds to Sola Scriptura, so the tu quoque doesn't work.

>How is the protestant Bible somehow less accurate than the catholic Bible? Because you got there first? Specious.

I'm not saying it's less accurate. I'm making the point that you:

1. Have no basis for Sola Scriptura in your Bible.

2. You do have appeals to the Catholic Church in your Bible.

3. You ignore 2 to claim 1, and you have not justified that.

>I am a Christian. I associate myself with the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church (LCMS). I do not always agree with their doctrine but it's the closest to my own understanding.

Can you tell me your understanding of faith versus works then? I am unaware of your doctrines (my ignorance, sorry), so don't understand your position/critique, but I'm curious.

>I also come in a spirit of Christian brotherhood. Your post that insists people who don't pray the Rosary are off the team is what provoked my response.

It was a reference to the "trad" movement in Catholocism. It's the tagline. Feel free to listen in (he's live now: Dr. Taylor Marshall), and see what you think.

It's a meme.

>Attend my church and you would find a service moar "Catholic" than you would otherwise think. We can agree on each other, most definitely, on the Nicene Creed with a couple of small differences to which I subscribe.

As someone who has jumped from catholic, to protestant, to Orthodox, to Catholic, I begrudge no one their journey. I just try to share my understanding so, as Leighton Flowers (Baptist I listen to) says: "I debate so iron can sharpen iron and we can grow closer together and to Christ".

>"Being of one substance with the Father"

Curious to your understanding.

>and "I believe in one Holy Christian and apostolic church."

"Catholic" means "universal" :) The Presbyterian Church I went to always had an asterisk next to that word to inform people of what they're talking about :) But I get the criticism.

>You see, I believe that RC's are also Christian, albeit mistaken in some beliefs. I cannot subscribe to the thought that any act of my own could ever rise to the level that I merit anything other than eternal damnation, and that I am only saved by Grace through belief in God, acknowledging that I am a sinner, and asking sincerely for forgiveness through my Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus.

Catholics believe that too. They just believe that from faith flows works, and by their fruit you will know them.

Your works don't merit anything, but your faith will cause good works because your faith will want you to please God. To please God you will just be doing good works.

If you want a protestant take on that, Leighton Flowers of Soteriology 101 goes over a protestant understanding of exactly that. Might be worth looking into if this interests you.

>We gud?

Of course. God bless.

>>8357187

>I wouldn't turn my back on them because we disagreed. I won't turn my back on you frens, either.

Amen, brother.

>Just don't "exclude me from the team" because of my beliefs.

It's a meme from Dr. Taylor Marshall. If you listen to religious podcasts (I listen to a lot, from Protestant, to Catholic, to Orthodox), then I suggest him, as he wrote a book called "Infiltration" and gave it to the Pope that talks about the satanic influences!

We need more fighters. Just calling Catholics back home, and entreating the Protestants to talk with us and help us fight against these Satanic influences.

I begrudge no one their journey, just trying to, as Leighton Flowers (Baptist) says: "Iron sharpening iron" so we can come closer together, not further apart, as Satan wants.

>>8357325

I had to cut some of the quotes down because the body was too long. Sorry, brother.

>The prayer speaks to St. Michael. All prayer should be directed to God alone.

I understand the potential for idolatry. I do not want to minimize that as a possibility, and I will concede there are absolutely idolators in the Catholic Church. However that is not the historical understanding of the practice, and this is one area where Catholics and Orthodox agree and Protestants disagree. I think this deserves a serious unpacking as to what we mean, so we can grow together in understanding the faith.

>I get that you don't hold to Sola Scriptura, but …

This is a great question. The faith is built on tradition. In fact, if you read the Bible, references are made to meeting together, and saying "this is what we all believe". For instance Galatians 2:1-10 (I tried to quote from the start but it was too long):

Catholics continue in that tradition, as there was no Bible at that time. The Bible came later so that as these great men were martyred and died, that the Word could be preserved for all times inside the bosom of the Church that Jesus built.

>My basis for Sola Scriptura? Triune God.

We both believe in the Triune God. Just to make that part clear.

>Literally John, ch. 1, coupled with John 3:16-18. …

There's a lot here, but I think this is a good start: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/a-quick-ten-step-refutation-of-sola-scriptura . Definitely something that needs to be contended with, even if you disagree.

>Incorrect. Small "c", catholic… I use the term "exclusive" with its full meaning here.

OK let's go with "catholic" Church. Fine. You have references to that. So do you believe in the catholic Church? Do you believe all worshipers should join together as one in His glory?

I guess I don't see how any Protestant Church can claim a universality when there are so many sects that disagree? What is the universality I guess?

And how do you ignore the 1500 years of tradition that had the Pope as the (often horrible person who caused mass misery as any position of power is wont to cause) head of the catholic Church? Especially in light of what is said in the Bible about said Church, and the fact that the Bible was not given by Jesus himself?

I guess I'm confused how you can say "the Word" which plainly points to the teachings of Christ as the sole authority to God, but you get that from the Bible, not God, right? Is the assertion that the words attributed to Christ in the Bible are the only thing that should be understood? Or is it that the whole Bible is under "protection" (sorry I don't have a better word) of the Holy Spirit, and thus worthy of the same (or lesser but more than Tradition) worth as the words attributed to Christ?

Also what do you think of the Scofield Bible?

>Brethren, or no?

As long as you hold to the Nicene Creed to give us a basis, yes, absolutely. We can debate the others in fellowship and with peace and grace and humility as He would want, not at the point of a sword.

>My understanding of faith vs works is this: …

We agree almost completely, brother. There only thing I would change is the idea that if the works can bring others close to God, then it can bring us closer to God as well. For we are all brothers, each working together towards Him.

That being said, I want to affirm that:

"When we come to God and are justified, it happens without any merit on our part. Neither our faith nor our works—nor anything else—merits justification."

So it is not through works we are justified, it is through works we are known.

>"Being of one substance …

No issues, brother. The Triune God is one of the most beautiful and fulfilling aspects of Christianity in my opinion. The fact that its basis is in Scripture is all the more proof that anyone might need of its veracity, once they come to Christianity.

I just started watching the linked video. Matt Fradd (the channel) is a Christian, and Cameron Bertuzzi (the guest, who has his own show "Capturing Christianity") is a Protestant, and they're having a civil discussion. This is the model that I think all Christians should look to when coming together. We are all stronger with the arguments of the fathers, and the modern apologists (C.S. Lewis, William Lane Craig, Leighton Flowers, Trent Horn, Braxton Hunter, Jonathan Pritchett, Cameron Bertuzi), and starting with the idea of mere Christianity (as C.S. Lewis and William Lane Craig would say) is something we should all be able to put down our doctrines and agree on, so we can all proceed in our journey in the faith together, and not alone.

>>8357777

>windswept house.

Thanks for the reference, quads.

>>8357903

Hunting!

Happy hunting patriots!