>>8611361 (pb)

>>8606717 (pb)

I was looking at past notables and saw some stuff related to Patrick Henry's "Liberty or Death" speech and figured I should look further at both sides of the "mismatch" in Q3907. The speech is not directly associated with Lexington and Concord (it was given in Virginia the prior month), and Q surely knows that, so maybe there are angles to explore on both sides?

Patrick Henry is giving a warning call... but by linking him directly to Lexington and Concord, Q is deliberately omitting Paul Revere, who is historically associated with the warning for those particular battles. He is said to have ridden through the night of April 18, 1775, warning that the British were coming.

Perhaps there is more to find on Paul Revere himself, but what particularly strikes me as pertinent here is the poem "Paul Revere's Ride" by Henry Wadsforth Longfellow, written in 1860. America was on the verge of civil war, and Longfellow was an abolitionist. Interestingly, Q3175 involves that very war and came on Mar 23, 2019, the same calendar date as Patrick Henry's speech. I suspect this is not an accident. And then just today, POTUS had a retweet about the Democrats trying to rewrite history. Not a coincidence there either, I suspect.

But remember.... double meanings exist. Longfellow himself was accused of introducing "historical inacurracies" into the poem, but he did so in order to forge an artistic whole that would better awaken his countrymen to the impending need for action. I think Q is doing something akin by juxtaposing Patrick Henry with Lexington and Concord. Once we catch that this is "wrong", then we are spurred to dig deeper. But more generally, Q has also used disinfo not simply to mislead the enemy, but as a tool to awaken us. Disinfo can figure in coincidences, and it can direct our attention to inconsistencies that force us to strive towards some deeper understanding.

Perhaps there is more to find on Paul Revere, but I'll jump to Patrick Henry.

>>8619898

The Patrick Henry speech was not recorded directly, but was later reconstructed. This link has details and the speech as we know it:

https://www.colonialwilliamsburg.org/learn/deep-dives/give-me-liberty-or-give-me-death/

Perhaps there is more to find, but I want to focus on some of the classical allusions. It might seem I am stretching too far, but recall that the founding fathers were real men with real lives, and possessed both learning and practicality. If we assume that Q team is MI, then we should assume they've got top people running this show from the inside, and they will catch these allusions as well.

Oddly, one of the passages I want to address involves a mixed metaphor: "Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts." Patrick Henry is conflating two different episodes from the Odyssey here, but as they say, even Homer sleeps. I will discuss these both in more detail, but I think Q is having a laugh here, while drawing our attention to the broader themes of the Odyssey itself.

Look first at the opening few lines…."that man skilled in all ways of contending"… does that suggest POTUS? And…"harried for years on end"…hmmm…."I take all of your slings and arrows for you"… you remember that, right?

And what is the story of the Odyssey? It is the story of a sea voyage, beset by many obstacles. Isn't Q always reminding us to never forget that we are on a boat? And we must prepare for the "white squall" and band together to survive it? POTUS is the captain of our ship, a "many skilled" captain like Odysseus.

But we can dig even deeper… Odysseus is known for his cleverness, but he is also, as they say "based". Contrast him on the one hand with Thersites, who in the Iliad deems himself more astute than his betters, but does little more than toss out abuse like a blue check journalist. But contrast him on the other hand with Hercules, no fool himself, and even a hero known for some smart solutions as he labored… but still a hero known especially for fortitude.

Odysseus depends essentially on his wits, but he employs them as he endeavors to preserve the lives of his men and to return home to his wife. For instance, when he tells the Cyclops that his name is Nobody, the wordplay ends up paying off and saving lives. But Odysseus is under no delusion that his cleverness enables him to escape his manly nature, and when he is given the chance to remain with the pretty maiden Nausicaa after he is finally washed ashore alone, he declines and seeks to return to Penelope. And when he finally does, he slaughters all the suitors who were trying to get with her in his absence.

Contrast Odysseus with Hillary: she thought it was her turn. Kek.

>>8619921

Now take a look at where Patrick Henry uses a mixed metaphor: "listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts".

Again, he is conflating two different episodes from the Odyssey, but I think Q perfectly well knows this, and is drawing our attention to both.

In the Odyssey, it is not a siren who transforms men into beasts, but Circe, a sorceress with her own island. She beguiles some of the men and mutates them into pigs. Nonetheless, one sailor, suspecting mischief, is not entrapped and is able to warn Odysseus and the few sailors who remained on ship. Odysseus is ultimately able to restore them to manhood, but not without effort. I suspect Q is directing us to this story to remind us of the repeated rally: sheep no more! We were never meant to be sheep, but those who have succumbed can still be freed. But it is not without cost, and those who have allowed themselves to become sheep… well they better have some gratitude!

But now take the sirens… In the Odyssey, the sirens were womanlike beings who sought to beguile sailors. They would sing and enchant, and the men so captivated would end up sailing their ship into sharp rocks and get smashed. Odysseus prepared in advance, and had his men fill their ears with beeswax, while he left his open, but ordered his men to tie him to the mast and to refuse any countermanding order until they had passed. Well… it worked. But Odysseus was rebelling against himself during the passage and trying to give in to the lure. But his men did what Q repeatedly advises: trust the plan. They knew that Odysseus had provided leadership time and again, and even if Odysseus seemed to be acting contrary to expectation right then, they kept focused on the bigger picture and pulled through.

The upshot is that Patrick Henry, or whoever remembered the speech, seems to be conflating things, but both of these Odyssey angles lead to some Q insight, and I think it is no accident that Q points us to this speech.

>>8619944

There is one more passage in the Patrick Henry speech that I want to look at, and it involves Aristotle, but I think there is an interesting "double meanings" twist that can take us from the Odyssey to Aristotle… but we have to jump to the twentieth century.

Take a look at The Love Song of J Alfred Prufrock, by T S Eliot. (The Italian at the start is from Dante's Inferno. It actually comes shortly after the "narrator" Dante meets Odysseus… but to explore that will be too many double meanings in one post.)

Now, in the poem, J Alfred is thinking about mermaids, and whether they are going to sing to him or not, and who knows what else, but he thinks they won't, probably because he thinks they won't deem him worthy of consorting with mermaids. And he's probably right. I mean, think about it: if you were a mermaid… and I'm thinking about some cool, lovely, sexy mermaid, not some bitch that wants to smash you on the rocks… and you wanted to consort with men, you'd probably be disenchanted with all the hemming and hawing.

And if I were an expert on T S Eliot, I'd probably say that this is missing the point, and that he shouldn't be fantasizing about mermaids at all, but should pay attention to the women who are going to and fro talking of Michelangelo. Well, I admit, that might be a plan too. Or better yet, just skip the plan and do it. I'm sure he could find something to say about Michelangelo if he actually paid attention.

I was going to make some point about historical forces shaping self-conception in the past century, and how this relates to J Alfred Prufrock and Donald J Trump, but I keep thinking about mermaids. I'm just going to jump to Aristotle.

You see how Patrick Henry says: "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." Well, I suspect this is an evocation of Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, Book I.8 (that's the Joe Sachs translation, pretty good IMO). Aristotle astutely notes that Olympic prizes do not go to the strongest, the fastest, etc., but to some of those who actually compete. And if you read the part just above that, you can see the connection between those who compete and those who are not asleep. Might have something to do with the Great Awakening?

(Reading Aristotle can be a pain due to translation issues. For instance, the term "virtue" suggests some namby-pamby thing, but the meaning of the Greek is really somewhat akin to whatever the Oakland Raiders mean by "excellence" in "Commitment to Excellence".)

There is probably a ton here to think about, but I'm just going throw it out there. It really does seem that Q is right when he says that you have more than you know.

>>8619863

Seriously thought that was Frodo, and I'm thinking: just walk into Mordor.

>>8620088

>>8620221

Sorry to say, but I don't believe you.

Anons need to get serious.

This is not a game.

HOLY SHIT!

Just watched "this video.."

and POTUS says "It was only a question of when…" and then speaks again at 4:18.

4/18 = Paul Revere (Lexington/Concord)

Anons should stop the dumbass hijinks and get SERIOUS!!!!

>>8620398

Everybody knows that the bird is the word.

(sings)

(when)

>>8620430

>>8620444

National Lampoon's Doon is good too.

>>8620479

Yeah… they probably will say that…

just before they get….

BTFO!

>>8620508

>>8619921

He's got his priorities.

>>8620540

EXCELLENT stuff.

Underground History of American Education is probably the best.

But others good too.

>>8620540

>>8620551

If you like Gatto, you might like Ivan Illich and Jacques Ellul.

Both have been sort of "appropriated" by the academic left, but if you read them right, you can see that they would not endorse that BS. Haven't read everything they've got and might disagree, but much food for thought.

>>8620598

I've heard of her, but haven't really read her stuff. I'll go recheck it again. I've got it in my notes.