Anonymous ID: a86603 March 31, 2020, 8:44 p.m. No.8644199   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4232 >>4250 >>4281 >>4451 >>4497 >>4499

>>8644021

Ok, Let me explain it this way.

 

The snipers were not on the initial call. They were part of the hostage/crisis rescue team that gets called in AFTER things go tits up.

 

SO, the initial agents there showed up, fucked things up by not announcing themselves when they entered, then killing one of the sons who shot back in self defense because the FBI killed his dog, and this caused the rest of the family to freak out and start shooting back. Realizing that they fucked up, the agents on the ground call in the hostage/crisis rescue snipers.

 

When the snipers got there, the situation was already hours old. They were not told anything more than the family had killed FBI agents, and they were to presume everyone on the property armed and dangerous. That is what was told them, so that is what they went into the situation thinking.

 

Again, all of this came out in the trial. The sniper was acquitted of charges because the higher ups in charge of the case LIED to him and his team, and refused to give critical information that would have prevented him taking that shot the way he did.

 

So I ask you now, if you were the sniper, and you were not told the truth about the situation having arrived hours later, should you be held responsible? Or, should it be the leaders of the operation who decided to LIE and withhold critical information, then try to frame a subordinate for their fuck, who should have be the ones on trial? This is not a case of "just following orders". This was a deliberate attempt by those in charge to scapegoat a subordinate so they could escape justice.

 

In short, the people responsible for Ruby Ridge were not held accountable. Those are the people who we should be going after. Not the sniper. If you can't see that, then you have a twisted view of justice. That's not what this movement is about.

Anonymous ID: a86603 March 31, 2020, 8:51 p.m. No.8644292   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>8644232

Thank you for understanding. Sorry for being so passionate about this, but after years of hearing all the bashing of the guy I had to speak up. He's a stand up guy. And the hell his family has gone through over this incident is enough to piss off even the most cold hearted of men. I just want everyone to see what really happened and to stop blaming him.

Anonymous ID: a86603 March 31, 2020, 8:59 p.m. No.8644370   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4421

>>8644281

What part of this whole section do you not get?!

 

"SO, the initial agents there showed up, fucked things up by not announcing themselves when they entered, then killing one of the sons who shot back in self defense because the FBI killed his dog, and this caused the rest of the family to freak out and start shooting back. Realizing that they fucked up, the agents on the ground call in the hostage/crisis rescue snipers.

 

When the snipers got there, the situation was already hours old. They were not told anything more than the family had killed FBI agents, and they were to presume everyone on the property armed and dangerous. That is what was told them, so that is what they went into the situation thinking."

 

How the hell was he to know they were innocent civilians when the information was kept from him and his team? Do you expect him to be psychic? I don't understand your fucking rationale.

 

If I, your supervisor, told you that there were only armed terrorists in a house and ordered you to bomb the place, only to find out that I didn't tell you they were women and children there, should you be held responsible for their murder? Or should I for withholding that information? Again, justice is not about vengeance. It's about finding the truth of the matter and holding those responsible accountable. Don't let your blind hatred for the FBI (of which I can understand) lead you to take it out on those who were being lied to in the course of their duty.

Anonymous ID: a86603 March 31, 2020, 9:15 p.m. No.8644513   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>8644421

>don't matter

 

>did he see them shoot at any one?

 

>was he shot at?

 

HE WAS TOLD THE FAMILY KILLED FBI AGENTS WHEN HE ARRIVED HOURS LATER! He didn't have to be shot at to go into the situation with the mindset that these people will kill other agents, including him, if they got the chance. That isn't his fault. It's the fault of his supervisors for LYING TO HIM and putting him in a false mindset.

 

At this point, I don't know how else to explain it. The guy was lied to, and then made to take the fall afterwards. Yet you care more for trying to hang him than the fucking higher ups who caused this whole thing in the first place!

 

I gotta tell you, I've met some dumb motherfuckers in my day. You and everyone like you are giving this movement a bad name. I want justice just as much as anyone here on the board. But I'm not going to sacrifice those agents/cops/whoever that were lied to by their higher ups in the line of doing what they thought was right. They're just as much a victim because they were used unwittingly towards nefarious ends.