Anonymous ID: d1074a April 14, 2020, 12:46 p.m. No.8792048   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>2064 >>2332

>>8791803 lb

>>8791611 lb

 

Hydroxychoroquine and Lyme disease

 

Some further thoughts. Overall, not seeing a lot of data - open to seeing more. The one from a past board that cited 1% Ghanian quinine I could not validate from the internal links. Particular concerned because it said "in vitro" and the links did not show concentrations.

 

User reviews are mixed. Some anecdotal evidence of benefit - and of risk.

 

https://www.drugs.com/comments/hydroxychloroquine/for-lyme-disease-arthritis.html

 

Medical rationale for adding HCQ: alkalization to enhance action of antibiotics such as tetracycline class.

 

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(17)30103-1/pdf

 

HCQ also has some direct effect against Borrelia burgdorferi

 

2002 in vitro study study shows that in a Petri dish HCQ can inhibit and destroy Lyme disease bacteria, both in their active and their cystic phases. HOWEVER, the concentrations are very high - 32 (for active) to over 128 (for cystic) micrograms/mL (µg), whereas therapeutic blood levels for treating lupus were 500 to 2000 nanograms/mL (ng) using standard dosage. 1 µg = 1000 ng. Concentrations in the Petri dish therefore WAY higher than can be safely attained in humans.

 

In vitro study: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10123-002-0055-2

Blood levels: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4630115/

 

Clinical literature however does not have much hopeful data

 

Most articles cite the in vitro study above and the open-label study and the controlled study below.

 

2003 study (found also by other anons) using HCQ with a macrolide antibiotic (clarithromycin [Biaxin], azithromycin [Z-pack], or erythromycin). Hypothesis is that HCQ can raise intracellular pH because these antibiotics do not work well in acidic contexts. Treatment was open label (no control group is a limitation of this study). Treatment continued for quite a while - complete responders continued on treatment for another month, partial responders another 1-2 months, and non responders another 3 months before being considered a failure. There were very few cures (5%) and a minority of failures (~20%) and the rest (~75-80%) were improved.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6453770/

 

2016 Study patients with persistent symptoms of Lyme disease. Compares HCQ+clarithromycin to doxycycline or placebo. All patients received 2 weeks of IV ceftriaxone before being randomized to the 3 treatment groups. Primary outcome was RAND-36 Health Status Inventory, a measure of quality of life (which symptoms impact). NO treatment group was better than placebo. Note, 12 weeks is as long as the 2003 study above.

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1505425

 

2019 analysis of the same data as the 2016 study, focusing on cognitive outcomes. Unsurprisingly, no treatment effect was seen in this one either.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6453770/

Anonymous ID: d1074a April 14, 2020, 1:11 p.m. No.8792468   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>8792332

 

On board with you in terms of HCQ and China virus.

 

Still looking for data in terms of HCQ and Lyme disease. In Lyme disease, it is a bacterium and HCQ seems at least theoretically to have direct antibacterial effects as well as adjuvant effects with antibiotics. Clinical effects in humans - still need to see more data and not finding it.