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John Podesta admitted under oath that the DNC and the Hillary Campaign split the cost of the Trump-Russia dossier.

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(pgs 16 & 17)

[Marc Elias] - Said the same thing in his testimony when being questioned by: (Trey Gowdy).

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MR. GOWDY: All right. Whose money were you spending?

MR. ELIAS: Right. so I was spending the campaign's and the DNC's.

MR. GOWDY: Right. And my question to you was, were you authorized up to a certain dollar amount to consult no one other than yourself?

MR. ELIAS. I now understand. So with respect to this particular project, I consulted with Robby Mook, who was the campaign manager, to get budget approval to be able to spend money in order for me to retain consultants. This was the consultants that I retained, but I didn't need to consult on the identity of the consultants.

MR. GOWDY: All right. And how much money did Robby Mook approve you to spend?

MR. ELIAS: I'm going to do the best I can by memory here. lt is all on FEC reports. But my recollection is that initially it was a total of $60,000 split between the campaign and – $60,000 split 30 and 30 between the campaign and the DNC. And then there additionalexpenses associated with that, that changed month to month, were relatively modest initially and grew larger as the campaign drew on.

MR. GowDY: Now, were you paying, was that 30-30 split for work that had already been done by Fusion GPS? was that a retainer for them to do additional work? What was the 60,000?

MR. ELIAS: lt was to provide the information that I requested or needed in order to do what I needed to do

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campaign's = HILLARY FOR AMERICA

(pg 7)

we have conferred with Mr. Elias's clients, Hillary for America and the Democratic National committee, and they have not waived the privilege with respect to Mr. Elias' testimony today.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/CPRT-116-IG00-D041.pdf

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Hillary for America and the Democratic National Committee - Paid [Peter Fritsch & Glenn Simpson. - Fusion GPS] Thru [Marc Elias - Perkins Coie] for = Dirty Russia Dossier.

[Tom Perez & Jessica O'connell of DNC] - Named in testimony.

[Marc Elias] - Testimony questing by: Trey Gowdy

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MR. GOWDY: But it doesn't get much bigger than Presidential. And you hired a firm you'd never hired before, based on a meeting where they said they have quote, "research." And we've defined research as bankruptcies and court filings that you could have hired a law clerk to go find.

MR. ELIAS: So as I said, it was based on their reputation in the community, recommendations, and -

MR. GOWDY: Recommendations from whom?

MR. ELIAS: One of my partners had recommended them to me as a firm that had done good work in his experience and that they had a good reputation.

MR. GOWDY: All right. So I think we're up to $60,000. What is the total amount of money that Perkins Coie paid Fusion GPS?

MR. ELIAS: I know it's in the letter we I don't remember the

MR. GOWDY: lwon't hold you to it. Just give me a ballpark. More than $60,000?

MR. ELIAS: I think it was well, it was l'm sorry, $60,000 a month. MR. GOWDY: $60,000 a month.

MR. ELIAS: I'm sorry, yes. lt was 30 and 30 per month.

MR. GOWDY: So $60,000 a month, What was the duration of - MR. ELIAS: And then plus expenses.

MR. GOWDY: What was the duration of that agreement or could either party -

MR. ELIAS: lt was it was - it was from and you said you're not going to hold it to me : hold me to it.

MR. GOWDY: I'm not looking for any more investigations to start than we already have.

MR. ELIAS: lt was some time in the spring.

MR. GOWDY: OkaY.

MR. ELIAS: I want to say maybe April, but that could be off a month one

way or the other. And it ended in - at the end of October.

MR. GOWDY: So May, June, July, August, September, October'

MR. ELIAS: I think April, I think April. I don't know, maybe.

MR. GOWDY: All right. so 7 months times $60,000. l'll let you help me

with the math there.

MR. ELIAS: I went to law school.

MR. GOWDY: $400,000 and something, Himes, is that close? MR. HIMES: lt's close.

MR. GOWDY: Alt right. So we're not quite close to the million. MR. ELIAS: Right.

MR. GOWDY: Where is the other half of it, those expenses?

MR. ELIAS: Yes.

MR. GOWDY: And did you get a detailed summary? Do they fill out billing sheets like lawyers do where they say 0.7 hours spent opening a letter?

MR. ELIAS: Fortunately for the rest of the world, nobody fills out time sheets like lawyers do.

MR. GOWDY: What were those expenses they incurred?

MR. ELIAS: So the expenses were and, again, by category if I had to guess, but it's an educated guess, I would bet that the largest expenses Were probably copying and court expenses, you know, getting copies of transcripts, getting copies of files. Getting, like - getting a complete case file for a major piece of complex litigation, the copying cost to the courthouse could be $10,000, $20,000.

MR. GOWDY: Did they provide monthly updates to you on what they were

finding?

MR. ELIAS: Yes. More than monthly.

MR. GOWDY: ln writing or orally or both.

MR. ELIAS: Typically orally. Typically it was orally, more often than

monthly, though.

MR. GOWDY: When did you first hear the name Christopher Steele? MR. ELIAS: When did I first hear the name Christopher Steele? To the

best of my recollection, I first heard the name Christopher Steele in July.

MR. GOWDY: From whom?

MS. RUEMMLER: You can answer that.

MR. ELIAS: lt would have either been Peter or Glenn. I would guess

Peter.

MR. GOWDY: What was the nature of what you were told?

MS. RUEMMLER: As stated, that question calls for information that's

protected by applicable privileges and I would instruct the witness not to answer. MR. GOWDY: And this is where I'm trying to figure it out. You're a law

firm that hired nonlawyers to do work for you. These nonlawyers are reporting back to you. You're the client, you're not the lawyer.

So will you waive attorney-client privilege and tell me what your client said to you?

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https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/CPRT-116-IG00-D041.pdf