>>11667000

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So let’s talk a bit about the geoglyphs of the Tiwanaku culture:

I’ve taken a look via google on the entire area: modern day landfarms are covering the whole area. It’s a bit tricky to see the geoglyphs. And it’s even trickier with the obvious erosion that took place; some lines are not well defined.

Also, this is the first time that we have a combination of landfarms from ancient times combined with the geoglyphs; we didn’t see this with the Paracas and the Nazca cultures, nor the Wari by the way – anons shouldn’t forget that the Tiwanaku culture is connected to the Wari and experts are sometimes unable to make certain attribution of the artifacts since both cultures have terribly similar pottery. Here, it seems the ancient landfarms were submerged in water, like little irrigation tunnels. So imagine these geoglyphs inondated with water. How would they look from above? The water would shine and be mirror like with the sun up, right? This is interesting. And is the use of water for irrigation, the reason behind erosion of the geoglyphs? Or is that due the area being totally submerged by Sea water?

Also, according to this article, wells were used as “Eyes” of the bird designs. This is totally new = we haven’t seen this with the other cultures. We don’t have the agriculture-geoglyph connection with the Nazca and the Paracas cultures. This is the first time we see such connection and I have no idea how it all fits together, nor how it’s all connected to astronomy and constellations. But it is notable that these were found around the lake where there is a very old sunken temple at the bottom. So are the geoglyphs connected to agriculture, religion and astronomy in the same time? When there is a connection to religion, there is also connection to astronomy because of divination and reading of the stars. So anons, as you can see this needs further digging and more researching.

I’m very interested, very, in the second geoglyph design picture I’ve attached with this page = the geoglyph is spread on a small hill. What got my attention, despite the obvious erosion, are the lines on the flanks of this hill = it’s like they are rays from a disk. Sure it’s not perfect because the damage to the geoglyph is obvious but if you look at it from above, it looks like a disk or a sun with rays emenating from it. On this specific geoglyph, it seems we have only HALF a rayed disk, not a full one. It’s as if they adapted the design to the terrain and used the sun rays to fill the hill slopes, while they used geometric or zoomorphic designs to fill flat terrain.

It’s obvious these geoglyphs are much older from the ones we have with the Paracas and the Nazca cultures. So this makes me wonder if those 2 younger cultures didn’t come across the geoglyphs of Titicaca lake area and then decided to imitate them ? Or was the site of the Tiwanaku culture abandoned by its citizens for some specific reason and a migration occurred; and the migrants took that knowledge with them and re-used it, re-applied elsewhere?

If we follow the scattered petroglyphs in the area, will we also find the routes taken by these migrants = drawing them on rocks near their new settlements as they moved on? Or since they lacked the materials (in some cases) to draw the geoglyphs, did they go for a smaller scale with the petroglyphs? Or are the petroglyphs simply drafts for the geoglyphs? It’s important to note that we don’t have any geoglyphs near the petroglyphs in Ancient Egypt nor in Mesoamerica, not to my knowledge anyway. It seems like the petroglyphs are more likely to be some type of “records” = the survivors of the Flood need to record some important information on matrials that doesn’t disintegrate easily = durable, so they carved on the sturdiest thing they could easily get access to = rocks.

This is bringing me to the idea that Tiwanaku and the Lake Titicaca are the STARTING POINT for most cultures in the area. What do I mean there? I say Tiwanaku is EXACTLY like Teotihuacan = both were the starting point = the point of origin to the many cultures in the area = the Flood survivors build those 2 cities at first, but something happened and forced them to migrate and even separate, forming many cultures and civilizations.

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>>11680204

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Why am I saying that Tiwanaku is the starting point of MANY Andean cultures? Well, I just gave you some reasons but it’s obviously not enough. And you are right if you think that. This is why I’m going to give you another one = the Staff-God.

We’ve seen the Staff-God in many of the cultures we’ve encountered, either represented on potery, textile or sculptures. He was recognized in some cultures but for some strange reason – maybe because of the lack of information or lack of research by archaeologists – the Staff-God was not identified as the MAJOR = Principal deity of many Andean cultures. Don’t know if this is done on purpose or simply by ignorance or even lack of funds for research. But when you look at it, it seems the Gate of the Sun is the oldest representation of the Staff-God (apart the newest one found in Norte Chico – p. 359). And it’s the only place where we see him along with his Helpers. The spread of this Staff-God and the geographic location of artifacts dug up with his iconography can help us map out how the cult spread. If we rewind things, I think we will find out that the starting point of the Staff-God cult is none other than the city of Tiwanaku and the area of Titicaca Lake. Then I think it showed up in Norte Chico and so on; which means that the given chronology is all wrong.

I also noticed an indirect connection between the 2 city-states of Tiwanaku and Teotihuacan = the FLOOD. In page 300, while taking a look at Teotihuacan, there was talk of a re-enacting of the creation myth. Back then, I said that I believe this is not about the creation myth but a re-enactment of the Flood myth. And here, with Tiwanaku and Lake Titicaca, we have clear evidence (many) of the area was entirely flooded by sea water. Amazingly enough both location are on or near a waterway with advanced knowledge in irrigation and farmland.

The meaning of each city’s name is also another common point = Teotihuacan is though to mean “birthplace of the gods” or “Place of reeds” (p. 285) while with Tiwanaku is thought to be the center of the world (p. 480) and the first place where Giants appeared (p. 482) as in the birthplace of the Giants. Reed boats were used (p. 477) and are still in use there nowadays by the way.

Which brings me to another common point = the sizes of both the Great Goddess of Teotihuacan (picture in page 294) and the Staff-God of Tiwanaku. Both are depicted bigger in SIZE than the persons standing next to them. And in both cases, I have the same interpretation as in they were both living humans whom got deified and worshiped, considered as gods after their death. I’m also in the mind set of considering them as the founders of their respective cities.

Incas regard Tiwanaku/ Lake Titicaca as where the children of the Sun emerged out the water (p. 491) = the birthplace of their civilization. While in page 295 we have the mural from Teotihuacan where people are swimming and emerging either from the mountain or the river.

Once, it can be considered as wishful thinking. Twice can be considered as a coincidence, but when you have so many points linking the puzzle pieces from 2 differents sites, then…

I also want to make a quick comment on the carbon dating and how it was used to give a date to the Tiwanaku culture: Up till now, I always relied on carbon dating and I haven’t detected anything wrong in this procedure that made me doubt it. Of course I don’t perform the tests myself, I send them to specialized persons and places. But when it comes to many Andean and Mesoamerican civilizations, I’m doubting the dates given about when these civilizations have existed. I’m not doubting the carbon dating technique, but I’m doubting the LAB or institute which performed the tests. You think it’s far fetched? Then I would like to ask anons to take a look at the CDC and the cooked up numbers we have from supposed “experts” and institutes about Covid 19. If (((they))) managed to “manipulate” the numbers of Covid deaths, couldn’t (((they))) also have “fixed” the results of the carbon dating to make them fit (((their))) fake narratives about the history of these civilizations? = provide fake evidence, fake results by big names institutes to bend the truth and change history; making the public believe in an illusion. If (((they))) did that to Covid right in front of everyone’s nose, couldn’t (((they))) do it with carbon dating about Andean culture and Mesoamerican civilizations? The answer is so obvious. I would also like to point out that this is NOT the case of Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia = I believe the dating there is correct, in most parts anyway. (((They))) only changed a few parts (((they))) want us to know about. I will be explaning this later on when I reach a certain point in this thread.

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>>11680291

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Also anons may wonder WHY archaeologists didn’t make the connections that I’ve done: the answer is rather simple = they are either working for (((them))) or the archaeologists simply didn’t know of the existence of Noah’s Ark on Mt Ararat. Do anons now SEE, UNDESTAND and REALIZE WHY the existence of the ARK was hushed and kept a SECRET? Because the Ark is SOLID physical proof of the existence of a flood taking place and a cataclysm wiped out an ancient civilization. It’s the LINK that all archaeologists missed and it TIES a LOT of points together = it brings a lot of the puzzle pieces together.

A lot of thoughts in my head as anons can see. I hope some of my comments and thoughts are helping anons interested in these subjects.

Another peculiar artifact is a sculpture of 2 animal statuettes on display in the Bolivian National Muserum. If you look closely anons, they surely do like dinosaurs don’t they? We’ve seen this before: either extinct or mysterious animal iconography showed up in ALL of the civilizations/ cultures we’ve seen in this thread so far. What caught my attention about this one is how they are represented = the two standing side by side. Why is this of importance? Because I’ve seen this many times before in my work when a 2 animals (either horses or oxes) are pulling a chariot, a cart or a carriage. This is standard, classical iconography that was used for centuries, even in the Middle-Ages paintings and modern day iconography.

In turn, this specific positioning of the 2 animals hints not just that they are most probably pulling a cart but these “dinosaurs” looking like creatures are also “domesticated” as in “tamed”. Now that is a wild idea mostly if you watch the Jurasic Park movie series where they portray the dinosaurs as wild, untamed, based on killing instinct type of animals. So the idea of domesticating them is totally absurd, right? Maybe, maybe not! Because if anons remember well, we’ve seen with the Dogon people a statuette of a person ridding a “dinosaur” (p. 215). You think he is a cowboy participating in a rodeo? Do you think he can leisurely sit on the back of a “dinosaur” and say giddy up without having these totally uncotrolable animals go wild? And looking at this statuette, it really does looks like 2 Velociraptors; so you think these carnivors won’t be eating anything that moves, just like what (((they))) show us in the movies?

Also notice the scale of these supposedly Velociraptors: If they are as big as they are depicted in the movies, can we attach a cart or chariot for them to pull? What about their speed? And take another look at the Dogon “ridder” statuette, notice the scale of the size = human/animal? Does that look like a “small” human sitting on the back of a “big” dinosaur? It looks like the same proportions as a human ridding a camel or an elephant, right? I would like to also point out that there is a missing part and the pulled “cart” has not been found yet – or maybe it’s been found but kept hidden, not displayed for obvious reasons – this artifact in display is incomplete.

The LAST point I would like to draw attention to in the Tiwanaku culture is the SKULLS. Two notables about the skulls:

1 – Some have (rather a big number judging from the pictures) have “surgical” holes in them, with signs of bone regrowth = healing. = signs of advanced knowledge in anatomy and medical field.

2 – An impressive number of ELONGATED skull, either adult or children, was uncovered in the Tiwanaku/Lake Titicaca area. I’m not going to repeat the same thing I did for the Paracas culture (starting page 389). But I would like to highlight AGAIN that we can divide the skull into 2 categories: 1 – those naturally born with this shape – 2 – those modified AFTER birth. From what I’ve seen and read about the Tiwanaku skulls, they seem to fall in the first category; as in born this way. I would be interested to see if there are any RED HAIR individuals and how many (percentage) of them was found among the skulls? I couldn’t find such information, either because it’s unavailable or I was just too clumsy to find it. I’m not that surprised to find that the OLDEST and the CLOSEST culture to a pre-flood civilization have elongated skull as a characteristic.

With this, I can wrap up the Tiwanaku culture. I hope I didn’t miss anything. If it’s the case, then I hope the anons would bring it to my attention.

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