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Next is the God Monan:

https://www.cairn.info/la-religion-des-tupinamba–9782130617075-page-75.htm#

“Dans le mythe transcrit par Thevet, il est question de deux destructions successives du monde. La première fois, l’univers aurait été consumé par le feu que Monan aurait fait descendre sur la terre « pour punir les hommes de leur ingratitude envers lui ». la surface terrestre parfaitement plate se serait ravinée et creusée sous l’action de la chaleur. Un seul homme fut sauvé du désastre ; il s’appelait Irin-Magé. Monan l’avait transporté au ciel pendant tout le temps que durait l’embrasement de la terre. Irin-Magé ayant supplié Moran de redonner au monde sa forme première, celui-ci fit pleuvoir abondamment pour éteindre l’incendie qu’il avait allumé. Les eaux de ce déluge s’écroulèrent par les dépressions dont la terre était sillonnée, formant ainsi les fleuves et la mer. L’amertume de l’océan fut causée par les cendres que les eaux du déluge diluèrent.

Monan donna une femme à Irin-Magé et de ce couple sortirent tous les hommes qui peuplèrent la terre après ce cataclysme.

La “cosmogonie” de Thevet connait encore une autre version du déluge qui fait probablement double emploi avec la première. Cette nouvelle destruction du monde fut causée par Tamendonare irrité contre son frère Aricoute qui avait jeté contre lui le bras d’un ennemi mort. En cet instant, le village où ils se trouvaient fut élevé au ciel et Tamendonare “frappa si rudement la terre que de là sourdit une grande source d’eau si haute, qu’en peu de temps elle atteignoit par-dessus les collines et costeaux, et sembloit surpasser la hauteur des nues”.

Translation from French:

“In the myth transcribed by Thevet, it is a question of two successive destructions of the world. The first time around, the universe would have been consumed by the fire that Monan would have sent down to the earth "to punish men for their ingratitude towards him." the perfectly flat earth's surface is said to have gulled and hollowed out under the heat. Only one man was saved from the disaster; his name was Irin-Magé. Monan had transported him to heaven during the whole time of the conflagration of the earth. Irin-Magé having begged Moran to restore the world to its former form, he rained heavily to extinguish the fire he had started. The waters of this flood collapsed through the depressions through which the land was crisscrossed, thus forming the rivers and the sea. The bitterness of the ocean was caused by the ashes which the waters of the flood diluted.

Monan gave a wife to Irin-Magé and from this couple came out all the men who populated the earth after this cataclysm.

Thevet's “cosmogony” has yet another version of the flood which probably duplicates the first. This new destruction of the world was caused by Tamendonare angry with his brother Aricoute who had thrown against him the arm of a dead enemy. At that moment, the village where they were was raised to heaven and Tamendonare “struck the earth so hard that from there rose a great spring of water so high, that in a short time it reached over the hills, and seemed to exceed the height of the clouds”.

>> The myth of Monan is incredible isn’t it anons? It combines information from 2 cataclysms: one is destruction from FIRE and the second is destruction by WATER.

The notables:

1 – The second destruction = the flood, didn’t came as a punishment to humans, but it came as a means to put out the initial fire.

2 - The water level from the flood reached the hills and seemed to exceed the height of the clouds.

3 – The only human survivor was saved by the god Monan by transporting him into heaven.

4 – Tamendonare was so angry at his brother that he strokes the earth very hard. From that place a great spring water rose up so high in the sky that it reached over the hills.

5 – “The village where they were was raised to Heaven”. I believe this is a detail of great importance.

6 – “The waters of this flood collapsed through the depressions through which the land was crisscrossed, thus forming the rivers and the sea. The bitterness of the ocean was caused by the ashes which the waters of the flood diluted.”

7 – “The perfectly flat earth's surface is said to have gulled and hollowed out under the heat”.

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>>10501722

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Well anons, the myth of Monan does bring new important information about the cataclysm mostly about the water level = how high it rose, how the water “collapsed through the depressions of the land” = so what does that mean? What’s a geological depression?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_(geology)

“In geology, a depression is a landform sunken or depressed below the surrounding area. Depressions form by various mechanisms.

Erosion-related:

• Blowout: a depression created by wind erosion typically in either a partially vegetated sand dune ecosystem or dry soils (such as a post-glacial loess environment).[1]

• Glacial valley: a depression carved by erosion by a glacier.

• River valley: a depression carved by fluvial erosion by a river.

• Area of subsidence caused by the collapse of an underlying structure such as sinkholes in karst terrain.

• Sink: an endorheic depression generally containing a persistent or intermittent (seasonal) lake, a salt flat (playa) or dry lake, or an ephemeral lake.

• Panhole: a shallow depression or basin eroded into flat or gently sloping cohesive rock.[2]

Collapse-related:

• Sinkhole: a depression formed as a result of the collapse of rocks lying above a hollow. This is common in karst regions.

• Kettle: a shallow, sediment-filled body of water formed by melting glacial remnants in terminal moraines.[3]

• Thermokarst hollow: caused by volume loss of the ground as the result of permafrost thawing.

Impact-related:

• Impact crater: a depression created by an impact such as a meteorite crater.

Sedimentary-related:

• Sedimentary basin: in sedimentology, an area thickly filled with sediment[1] in which the weight of the sediment further depresses the floor of the basin.

Structural or tectonic-related:

• Structural basin: a syncline-like depression; a region of tectonic downwarping as a result of isostasy (the Hawaiian Trough is an example) or subduction (such as the Chilean Central Valley).

• Graben or rift valley: fallen and typically linear depressions or basins created by rifting in a region under tensional tectonic forces.

• Pull-apart basin caused by offset in a strike slip or transform fault (example: the Dead Sea area).

• Oceanic trench: a deep linear depression on the ocean floor. Oceanic trenches are caused by subduction (when one tectonic plate is pushed underneath another) of oceanic crust beneath either oceanic crust or continental crust.

• A basin formed by an ice sheet: an area depressed by the weight of the ice sheet resulting in post-glacial rebound after the ice melts (the area adjacent to the ice sheet may be pulled down to create a peripheral depression.)[4]

Volcanism-related:

• Caldera: a volcanic depression resulting from collapse following a volcanic eruption.[5]

• Pit crater: a volcanic depression smaller than a caldera formed by a sinking, or caving in, of the ground surface lying over a void.

• Maar: a depression resulting from phreatomagmatic eruption or diatreme explosion.”

>> No matter what caused this geological depression (the causes as listed above) the important point to retain here is that something happened to the LAND. The cataclysm that took place was not just about a great quantity of water falling down from the sky and drowning the earth as portrayed by the Old Testament. But as we’ve seen in the East of the Mediterranean Sea, they were changes to the land as well. And when you talk about changes in the land, it can include earthquakes, volcanoes and rifts happening (page 226). But this doesn’t mean geological changes happened in one specific location, we’ve seen in the relief from Tikal (page 250) volcanic eruption. Again, we have loads of elements pointing that it wasn’t just water flooding but other natural disasters occurred as well during this cataclysm and this myth of Monan from the Tupi consolidates that idea.

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