https://youtu.be/Y52MBtLnBHU
You are retarded. You can argue masks, but the basic idea is obvious, if you are sick and you wear one then your breath doesn't go flying for 20 to 30 feet when you cough… You are less likely to give it to other people…
The virus is spread asymptomatically. As in without symptoms, so you get people sick without knowing you are sick… how is it you don't understand this at this point??? This isn't January.
No, it's not a nothing burger. Yes, it doesn't kill young healthy people, it can cause permanent lung and organ damage, but still. Two things can be true at the same time. The virus doesn't have to be airborne Ebola for masks to be effective in preventing its spread. Are you two?
Agreed. Though it seems that the strain of the virus most prevalent in the US is not the strain they had in China. I would love more info on what actually happened in Wuhan… There has definitely been ds bastards trying to take advantage of the virus here in the states.
No, it is not a flu strain… literally or figuratively… sad.
The flu does not cause the damage this virus does. Yes, with hydroxychloroquine and other treatments it's likely not going to be a significant issue going forward and the reaction here in the US is and has been entirely out of proportion to what happened.
But, people like you are a part of the problem.
A can be true and B can be true At the Same Time…
PS, the "flu" numbers have always been fake. The reported flu statistics are generated from models that "predict" the flu cases. Actual recorded flu cases are a tiny fraction of those figures, so no… you can't prove that the flu cases are down at all.
The real question is how the original Wuhan strain with it's 4 inserts from HIV and high lethality was broken in record time and magically morphed into the low lethality version that we are experiencing here in the US.
Ever heard of the wildland firefighting concept of a back burn?
The "numbers" from every year before this one are FAKE. They are generated by models.
Now the numbers may also be down due to the quarantine, social distancing, masks, etc. But, that doesn't change that you can not rely on the "numbers" of flu infections put out by most official sources because they are based on modelling only.
Over time… yes, but not instantly in exactly the right parts to change the key lethality portions of the virus.
Snicker, I like it… but it's much more likely it was recreated in a lab after it's code was leaked from China and that it was then broken on purpose and rereleased to inoculate the populace.
No proof, but that's a far more likely scenario than the oh my this just magically changed to be minimally lethal all by itself fantasy.
This thing, is actually about 3 times more deadly than the flu if the current numbers are right. It's a bit unclear as many of the current numbers are suspect. However, the original Wuhan strain was clearly Not like the flu at all.
Besides I'm not arguing the immense lethality of the virus in the US currently. My point was strictly about masks and how they work to an idiot.
Yes, there are and the original Wuhan strain is a very different beast from what we have here in the US…
This is a very censored file… scrubbed from most places due to its analysis of the original strain and how it shows high likelihood of lab manufacture.
No… the virus is real. The lockdown is fake. The attempt to use it to steal the election is fake. lots of things are fake… but the virus is real.
Yes it's real and potentially lethal to anyone who is obese or a diabetic.
The prevalence of obesity was 42.4% in 2017~2018
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
Total: 34.2 million people have diabetes (10.5% of the US population)
https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/data/statistics/statistics-report.html
There is overlap there, but obviously not all, if you include other risk factors it is likely that 50% of the US population has some significant risk from this virus. It's case fatality rate in the us is fairly low though and seems to be going down, so… good.
Hard to tell… we'll eventually find out of course. What will tell the tale is what happens in about two to three weeks or so.
If nothing happens then cool. If we get a large surge then things get complicated.
So you say. With no evidence. Fine, you believe that covid is fake. Good for you. You can believe that Unicorns are real too. It's totally fine. Just understand that people who are older than about 10 won't take you seriously.
Yes, 4 cut and inserts, and then one insert that had no replacement, so a true insert that changed the binding site to give a universal furin cleavage site.
….you are a troll. Likely one who thinks they aren't. But you are a troll.
You ignore that I said the virus here in the US isn't as lethal as advertised. You ignore that I said the lockdown was disproportionate and fraudulent to affect the election.
Because I touched on an emotional trigger for you you are reduced to whining, crying, and throwing insults and can't string together coherent sentences… sad.
>You come on here with an agenda
Nope. I simply pointed out that one person was being an idiot and then got hit by the hornets. Well fine. I will wade into the hornets nest and present information in the face of emotional outrage.
>Because we cannot trust the medical community, period, end of story. Sadly. They are comped.
This is so sad and stupid. Do some bad apples ruin a basket of apples? Is your doctor a deep state stooge because some crook got on tv and said things? Are you that big of a moron?
PS, no I don't work in medicine or any related field. I used to work in mental health, but not related to drug prescribing or sales.
I have been a researcher and worked in a research lab a number of years ago, that was a lot of fun. So I have the basic understanding of how to read scientific papers and do research. You can do that too… if you are willing to learn.
I do care about them and I yes I was. What exactly is your point? I disagree rationally with you and provide evidence so I must be a big bad evil person? lolz you are hilarious…
No, they don't. If they did then you would be a bad apple since there are deep state actors your country, so obviously we need to round you up and throw you in jail… idiot.
Here's a Donald Trump quote you may have trouble wrapping your mind abound…
"This is a pandemic"
Or you can just go listen to some of the White house Coronavirus task for press briefings from a couple weeks ago.
So I don't assume that you're an American and so you jump to conclusions… you're too easy.
>Do you enjoy seeing people in distress?
No.
> Do you enjoy the chaos?
No.
>What people decide for themselves is their business, you want to parade around in a mask, your business, just as it is for those who choose to go without out.
Yes, this is a decision for individuals and businesses not governments in my opinion.
>Part of freedom is the ability to make decisions for oneself!
Agreed.
Businesses are made up of people.
You do not have the "right" to shop at a certain store. If they wish to require you to wear a mask to shop there and you decline, then you have No Right to shop there.
That is you insisting on a privilege, not exercising a right.
> Most of the anons who frequent this board have BS detectors that are pretty finely tuned.
No, most anons on this board are emotional drones. A minority are excellent detectives, a few are good meme-smiths, and some are autists.
>27 posts and counting tells us all that your are pushing something
So I respond to you and that makes me a shill? Idiot.
>We called you out for overhyping the danger of the virus,
I did nothing of the kind. You are a liar. You can not find one single post where I said that.
>I will happily go to church, shake hands with friends, and be in close proximity to others without one ounce of fear about this supposedly dangerous virus.
Good for you.
>We are watching a fear porn shit show unfold, thanks in large part to the medical community and medical researchers.
Yes, that's also true.
>So yes, bad apples ruined the bushel in this case.
No, just because some people did bad things, no your Doctor or other non-related doctors didn't have anything to do with that… damn I feel sorry for you.
>Their advice has been summarily dismissed.
You sir, are a fool.
I have, and I know them fairly well. What the hell does the Government not infringing on your right have to do with you forcing a local business to let you in the door without a mask?
Do you have a point? I pointed out that the numbers are not actual reported cases and likely massively over inflated.
You don't actually have anything to say about that, but you insult me… why?
I hope you get to say that to someone who lost a loved one to it and they kick your ass.
I don't often wish harm to others but you need that smirk knocked off your fool face.
Not fake, and I didn't say that.
They are models.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htm
They are estimates based on assumptions, not actual data.
No, if I don't want to wear a mask I won't. But I won't impose my will on someone else because I'm an entitled little bitch like you.
….. /:| ……
Cool, I believe in liberty and you are a fascist. I'm glad we could settle that.
You are speculating. You say it's "looking only marginally more deadly than flu" but provide no evidence. Not even poorly sourced news articles.
You say you "follow" the numbers and stats, well trot them out. Provide evidence and then we can discuss them.
And your assumptions continue to run rampant, no I won't be getting the vaccine. And I strongly recommend that you do not do so either… The SARS vaccine killed 100% of the animals that were reinfected later and there is a serious possibility of antibody dependent enhancement with these vaccines.
Lolz, then by all means educate me. Use information, statistics, evidence, anything other than your feels.
You really are a precious little snowflake.
Thanks, one back at you.
I am tilting at windmills here though, think I'm just about done with it for the night. You can't educate the intentionally ignorant.
You have no data.
You have no evidence that it's a world wide conspiracy to manufacture a larp by literally millions of unconnected individuals reporting on it from their personal perspectives.
You have an opinion. Based on emotions.
>that isn't what happened. its a few people in each country that miraculously fall under the same 3 or 4 corporate umbrellas. it's the same politicians that champion global warming & open borders
No, no it's not.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1232814/Coronavirus-horror-China-virus-Wuhan-zombies-epidemic-video
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/11/report-china-locked-away-wuhan-residents-at-gunpoint-to-protect-xi-jinping/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7960471/Police-BARRICADE-screaming-woman-home-iron-bars-Wuhan-stop-coronavirus-spreading.html
https://www.theblaze.com/news/distressing-video-italian-hospital-coronavirus
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-woman-trapped-apartment-dead-21676552
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-italy-man-begs-authorities-to-collect-dead-sister/
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/4/21207927/5g-towers-burning-uk-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-link
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10821504/coronavirus-disturbing-video-patient-shaking/
I could find millions of videos and millions of posts from all around the world on social media. But it's all a larp… sure it is.
> its the same death rate as the regular seasonal flu.
Nope., no it's not.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-seasonal-flu-in-the-us-death-rates-2020-3?op=1
>the infection fatality rate is now only .26
The flu's rate is about .01%
So you're saying the virus is 26 times more deadly than the flu…?
>Whatever YOU are speculating about, I have no idea.
Because you don't speak English and clearly have no idea that some people (me) enjoy arguing with idiots (you). All you have to do to make it stop is to suck it up and sulk or post about something meaningful…. but I doubt you're capable of that.
The virus, obviously. I directed you to the paper describing the original Wuhan strain I posted earlier in the bread. Go do your research.
One of the comorbidities is obesity which has a prevalence of around 43% of the US population… other comorbidities are also highly prevalent, such as diabetes.
Yes, Vaccines weaken your immune system in general to some degree, what's your point? I never argued or supported vaccines.
Chief Blathering Idiot spews nonsense and can't actually make an argument, nice to meet you.
No, it isn't.
"seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected"
https://heavy.com/news/2020/02/coronavirus-death-rate-vs-flu/
Notice the far fewer?
"The death rate from influenza is generally just a fraction of 1%."
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
A fraction of 1%…
Take 2011 a fairly average year 15.7 deaths per 100,000 which includes both influenza and pneumonia, which complicates this and says that influenza alone is a fraction of that 15.7 per 100k
(https://www.statista.com/statistics/184574/deaths-by-influenza-and-pneumonia-in-the-us-since-1950/)
Between 5 and 20 percent of the population gets the flu every year by estimate (https://www.healthline.com/health/influenza/facts-and-statistics). So round that to 12.5% of the population.
So 12.5% of 100k is 12500, if 15.7 of that 100k die, then that is a death rate of 0.001256%…
….so NO it is not .1%
I find it so ironic that the same people who are saying they don't trust any medical advice or believe anything the CDC says about COVID are also insisting that they are telling the truth about the flu without even questioning it.
Says the person who doesn't do math, can't check for himself and also insists that they are lying about COVID, while blindly believing them about the flu…
Yes, the corporations are an issue. However, that doesn't address social media or the reports of individual people from around the world.
The deaths aren't falling in areas hard hit by the corona virus. And you are missing that locked down people do not die in car accidents, drinking games, or stupid sports injuries or whatever nearly as often as they do normally.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html
You have difficulty refuting facts, but you're good at claiming victory despite not being able to prove anything.
You're funny and make my laugh.
You have no argument so you lob useless ad homonym attacks. Give yourself a cookie.
That's probably because I'm not fearmongering.
I also didn't "ignore all the underlying conditions, ignore the stratigec placement of flu victims in nursing homes and the 100% communist controlled media".
I actually discussed all those things and agreed with them. I know, it confuses you and makes your brain hurt.
There will obviously never be another bread. You're welcome for giving you something to bellicosely rant at.
I've been here a long time, long before it was 8kun. I don't care in the slightest who you think belongs here, though that says a lot about you and your attitudes it says nothing about me.
Well this has been entertaining, but I'm done tilting at windmills for the moment, enjoy the rest of your day.
To all the special snowflakes I have been engaging with, do try to find and engage your prefrontal cortex.