>>9587391

>The old look wooden and the new metallic. Apart from durability, what are the functional diffs and would these have diff influences on the rise and fall of vessel between high and low tides?

In actuality, the TATTS does have I-beams but has done a better job at hiding them behind the traditional wooden moorings for a traditional, and much more aesthetic look. Although I haven’t been able to find actual pictures of the actual “beam trolley” mechanism employed, it would likely be comprised of a wheel-assembly attached to the I-beam in a similar manner as the beam trolley mechanism shown here. (See pics provided).

FYI, have been looking at pics of RS HISPANIOLA for days. As of yet, have not been able to find ANY pics of her at a higher tide (ie a pic showing her higher in relation to the mooring.

>>9589095

Three more views of TATTS showing a disguised I-beam attached to traditional wooden moorings. Attachment to I-beam visible in third pic?

>>9587391

>The tide in LISAMI6 could be high enough to be a spring high tide or close to it? Might a large swell almost force a restaurant

ship to close earlier or for a period of time during regular hours?

Imo, the gangplanks on both vessels are high, due to high tide, and would not be flooded. If there was an unusual high tide, then the river bank is where one would find flooding. This is not seen in the Q pics. For the purposes of discussion, and for new eyes not familiar with this discussion, the mooring for the RS HISPANIOLA is seen below the second GUNWALE, behind the Fore Deck, at what was the Captain’s Wheelhouse marked by the yellow arrow. I say second gunwale because, technically, the Fore Deck(marked by a green arrow)has what is called a Toe-wale that is very short and why they installed railing in the front for the restaurant diners. There is another gunwale(aka a gunnel) behind that, marked by a blue arrow. As of yet, we have been unable to find any pictures showing the RS HISPANIOLA or the PS TATTERSHALL CASTLE at a higher tide level than shown in the LisaMI6.png and the TrafficCam Rot1 pics. This leads to a belief that the Q pics show the vessels at High Tide. Why do we care? Thames high tides are documented. The Q pics high tide occurred: after dark, not during operating hours, after hours(the ships lights are out), but not so late that there are no people or cars on the road. Armed with published tide gauge data from the London Tower Bridge Pier gauging station, for 2013 and 2014, we can look at a particular month, like December 2013, and find there were only 8 or so dates that would fit for that month. We might match these dates with travel dates of persons visiting London from the US as future begins to prove past.

>>9596488

Thanks for getting those up.

>>9596902

>The 16 JUL 2013 stock image shows time of day on Big Ben. Might be a stretch, but could this help deconstruct the tide data forward to the winter of 2013/2014 such that it can help corroborate the year, at least?

Not sure am following. Are you getting a clue from Alamy? Even so, we must have a talk some day about the possibility of Easter Eggs. What were the odds of that LG-G2 phone ad on that Piccadilly electronic billboard captured at just the right moment by a Google Street View crew to match the Surveillance pic billboard? Have been wondering about that Q drop that says, Year determined? Then Q says to look at surroundings. Then, 2015/2016. I would half expect to find a WWG1WGA “slap tag” on a bus stop or something.

And you mention CH(Corinthia hotel?) in daylight? Btw, (kind of a hive mind on the embankment pics). I was just last night going to try to establish continuity betw. LisaMi6 and TrafficCam pics by looking at buildings in the background, hoping to see a change in their configuration but nope. In Lisa, we can see the Millbank bldg but it is not seen in Traffic Cams(due to glare?). I was trying to make out what that thing was where I would expect to see it. Is that Victoria tower vaguely lit by an external light?

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>>9597269

What is that building in the first pic? It doesn’t seen to line up to be Victoria tower from the angle looking up Victoria Embankment Road. And why cant we see the Millbank building with its lights on? Or any others?

>>9597724

Interesting. Gonna have another looksee on that.

>>9599655

Sorry, if you mean Lisa Page, then I can’t see a resemblance.

>>9600924

Thanks, anon.

>>9601838

You are always welcome, Boatfag. Must defer to someone else though. Hey Boatfag, while you are about, can you, or someone you know, find the 2013 operating hours for the PS TATTERSHALL CASTLE (London)or RS HISPANIOLA? I have heard anons use a “way-back machine” to find old web pages? Am not technically proficient and our skill pool here is limited. It is greatly important to narrowing the field when trying to date the LISAMI6 and TrafficCamRot1 pics. We pretty much agree the pics show the TATTS and HISPANIOLA “after hours” with ships’ lights out, and at High tide. Planning to match late eveningHigh tides to business hours but can’t confirm that recent business hours are the same as they were in 2013. We think the pics are from Winter 2013/2014. Plan to obtain actual measured tide data for the Thames for 2013/2014 but would only be useful to narrow number of evenings that match if we have operating hours for at least one ship(great if both!). I have practiced this elimination on published “projected” tide charts with similar results, twice being able to narrow a month of evenings to 8 or 9 days, depending on how much slack I give for the tide times. Hoping this might be useful as “future begins to prove past” to match travel dates of US agency types visits to London. If you can’t, maybe you might know someone who will do us a flavor. Thanks, Boatfag.

>>9592504

I’m afraid the only place you might find rugby in America is at an English or Irish Sports bar. As to be expected, you are witnessing market forces at work. TV network faggots aside, even a sports bar must contend with expected demand versus cost of satellite feeds, the old ROU(return on investment). Guess how this turns out. Nevertheless, seek and ye may find a pub that has rugby in addition to soccer.

>>9608935

All digs are welcome, anon. It’s evident you’ve been looking for proof of Lisa at the FBI. You’re in the right year when she would have joined. I must say I’m ignorant as to whether or not they put lawyers thru the yellow brick road like field agents. Glad to have you here, anon. Good hunting.

>>9611208

Wow, anon has been digging. You know, I’ve been wondering why we can’t see the lights from any tall buildings behind Westminster Castle like we see in the LisaMI6 pic which shows the building lights from, I think, the Millbank Tower. And what of the tall tower behind it? Was thinking maybe a power outage in the Westminster area behind the Palace? Just a thought. Nice work eliminating Dec22 and 23, 2013 at WW.

>>9612808

Regarding the operating hours for the restaurant ships, Boatfag came through with a request for a link to the Wayback Machine. Thanks Boatfag! Posting link here if anons want to give it a go on their own.

http://web.archive.org/

FOR NEW EYES not familiar with the Wayback Machine, it saves old versions of websites, etc.

Had mixed results for the TATTS and Hispaniola. However, if both ships appear to be after hours, it may not be a problem. Found a 2017 website for the TATTS but found some 2013 websites for the Hispaniola. See related caps. First is for Tatts, second for Hispaniola.

I had been using hours like the Tatts to compare with tide data.

Unfortunately, “open til late” is a bit vague but we can infer a general time frame. Some post special menus for the holidays.

I imagine these neighbor restaurants kept similar hours.

>>9613983

Tyvm, AppalachiaAnon. o7

>>9613983

From 2013 TATTS website. When they say they are open til late, “late” means late. 3am.

Hmmm. Need to rethink this. Cars on road. Time of day. Restaurants closed. Special hours that day? Can’t be on an actual holiday right? What self-important US gubmint agent at the top of the ladder is gonna be away from home on a holiday or eve of a holiday? No flooding or catastrophic weather. Roads are dry. People walking about. So…what’s going on?

>>9615981

But, I mem the Comedy Shows are: 1) the first Monday of the month, and 2) Fridays and Saturdays. So maybe, not open til 3 every night. Like the business hours I found on a later year. That was 11am to 11pm M-Th, and Friday/Sat 11 to (2am on that site) and 11 to 11:30 on Sundays.

They do day the last seating on Sunday is 9pm instead of 10pm.

>>9616074

As regarding the Q traffic cam pics, and with that many cars out driving, likely Monday through Thursday(after 11pm) or a Sunday (after 11:30pm). Now, is that a normal amount of traffic on the Victoria Embankment? Or is it maybe related to traffic from WW having closed at 10pm? Why did Q ask us to regard the traffic? Because it was normal traffic or because it is abnormal traffic?

Some spitballing about Q post 1456:

POTUS tweet about LP and PS at 19:37hrs (19hrs and 37mins) “meant to provide TIME GUIDE.”

To do some math, we convert 37 mins to be .62 hrs, so 19hrs:37mins = 19.62hrs.

Pics of EVENT in December [which lasts 45 days] meant to provide the TIME FRAME.

The EVENT (Winter Wonderland) lasts 45 days, from 11/22/13 to 1/5/14.(ie the TIMEFRAME). This is our unit of time.

19.62hrs divided by 24hrs tells us what the “time” is during that unit of time.

Let’s find out what “time” it is on our 45-day clock: 19.62hrs/24hrs = .8174.

.8174 x 45 days = 36.78 days.

Starting from 11/22 as our starting point on the 45-day clock, we proceed 36.78 days and the “time” is Dec. 29, 2013.

This part is cool.

Coincidentally, 12/29 is an excellent match on two different high tide charts. A Sunday night, when the TATTS closes at 11:30pm. One of the charts has a 4-minute delta; the other, a 31-minute delta from 11:30pm restaurant closure time.

>>9619551

>might you have put together an easy-use image collection of the relevant Q pics re London? Even a list would be handy and I am not sure I've a complete list yet. Asking because looking closely for missing pieces.

As of yet, I haven’t got a list. Phonefagging the whole time. Am constantly having to go back to Qmap.pub. Not everything comes up when you search “London pics”, not everything under “traffic cams”, and one of them does not show for either of those- I think it ends in 2748 or something. I will take caps of every one I know and try to find relevant or what I find interesting posts. Will try using Notepad on phone to take notes, then posting. Hope this is not extremely urgent, like this instant, but will work on it later today.

>>9619662

What shall I start with first? WW, Embankment or Piccadilly?

>>9634689

Boatfag, are you perhaps referring to the Royal Air Force Memorial?

And we do appreciate your “eyes on” too. It looks like we are gaining new shills as well. Always a good sign we are over the target.

>>9635361

I do apologize for not being able to focus on making Q drop lists.

However, wanted to share something on the MILLBANK Building images in the LisaMI6 and Embankment pics. I think that the image is made obscure and obstructed by the car lights glare and I think one of the Westminster Palace parapet’s pointy things on top. There may be another tower behind the Millbank on its right but I am not sure. But I think I have got 3 matches for the shapes of the lights. Let me know what you think.

Guess my mind had to work this out first.

>>9637742

I just realized. We just connected LisaMi6 with Rot1, Rot2 et al.! Same time! Well, time frame anyway.

When I was watching the video, I was thinking that little sign after “WILDE MAUS” had better not say XXL. But it had a WinterWonderland banner there instead. Can you notice at the end, you can see the bottoms of the letters XXL underneath the WinterWonderland banner there?

Interesting that they hid it.

>>9637490

>>9634689

Boatfag, is there a published date on that pic? Am interested in it because they have a banner advertising Christmas celebrations. Am mulling over the absence of Christmas decorations in the Embankment pics(and the Piccadilly Circus pics as well). I know it has been tempting to link these with Winter Wonderland but we gotta go where the evidence leads us. Got a date for that one?

>>9640472

I mean this banner.

>>9639675

>>9640472

Boatfag, I just noticed another blessing your extra eyes have brought. See pic related. I have struggled with the fact that the current business hours on the website for the TATTS were vague, and the Wayback Machine was only able to find a TATTS website going back to 2017. I could not be sure that they did the late hours only 2 nights per week back then, like they do now, as I think they changed owners. But YOUR PIC, clearly from back then by the colors of her funnel, tells me that they did offer a “night club” on Fridays and Saturdays.

And thanks again for putting word out asking for an anon to give us a link to the Wayback Machine.

You have helped us greatly!

Could you please get us a favor on that Tin-Eye search?

Who said there wasn’t much more for a Boatfag to do here?

>>9634689

>>9640472

>>9641524

>>9646423

>>9646586

NOTABLE

BOATFAG POSTS PICS ESTABLISHING BUSINESS HOURS FOR THE PS TATTERSHALL CASTLE FOR THE YEARS 2013 AND 2014.

This is notable because we had previously not been able to confirm that the TATTS had kept special weekend hours during the years 2013 and 2014 due to the fact that the Wayback Machine only went back to 2017 for the TATTS’ website. This establishes that the TATTS kept regular hours during the week thusly, as on business hours found for later years: M-Th 11a to 11p; F-Sat 11a to 3am(nite club nights); Sun 11a to 11:30p.

We are using this information to establish the time the LisaMI6 and Traffic Cam pics were taken as the RS Hispaniola and the PS Tattershall Castle appear darkened and “after hours”.

The importance of all if this will become apparent due to the fact we are establishing that the whole Victoria Embankment series of Q pics occurred, most likely during the Winter of 2013/2014.

Great finds! And, FOR NEW EYES, we are comparing these business hours with recorded High and Low tides, as the LisaMI6 pic has also been confirmed here in the UK thread to have occurred during a High Tide. See discussions in this and previous thread.

>>9646586

Boatfag, Here is a mission for you. No secret you’re a Navy man. Are you good with constellations? Please say yes. I am literally seeing stars in the NSA Traf CAM LONDON 2748 pic. Is it possible we could solve this damned thing using Google Sky? Direction is facing mostly Sourh. My best guestimate at the moment would be about 200 degrees SSW. Can you see 3 stars lined up near the yellow circle in pic provided? Orion? Am open to suggestions. Tell me one of your other hobbies is stargazing and you have Google Sky.

>>9658658

Thank you very much, Anon. Greatly helpful.

>>9654040

Well, George Webb was kinda throwing shade on the husband as possible clown behavior. Spent much time overseas, as an English teacher in Italy, a foreign student recruiter for Ohio State University(where he most likely met LP). Worked for Kaplan School as a recruiter also. On LP, don’t know. Guess she could have her mom watch kids if she needed to jet overseas. Her mom left Iran in 1979. I picture most of those who went to US as faithful patriots. LP’s father could be a lead. Not without precedent parents recruit children I guess. The Walker Spy team was father and son. Not sure so sure as to what her role as a junior DOJ attorney might offer in ways of foreign intrigue. Her DOJ bosses might have used her, as an attorney to show a suspect in UK what a US investigation had on them to pressure cooperation as a witness. Not sure what rules that might violate if approaching a foreign national in the UK without the permission of the government. Could have been sent not knowing if her opposites in the UK govt. had proper permissions to pressure a UK citizen. Might not have known she was dealing with blackhats in UK govt. who just wanted to blackmail one of their own. But that’s just my speculation.

>>9662632

Amen. New shills. Perhaps we are over the target lately?

Going to drop this in General to see if any anons can use Google sky to locate it against 2013 and 2014. Found the stars with (maybe a constellation?) while playing with the light and contrast on UK Traf CAM LONDON 2847 pic. Interesting that Q dropped this pic separately from the NSA Traf CAM pics and it’s the only one I was able to bring up the stars in the sky on.

>>9664451

That’s all of us, anon. The facts are leading where they will. And sometimes, Q throws in a little misdirection too, by posting pics from completely different series of pics in the same post. We are learning to look at the evidence one picture at a time. But we have learned a few things in the last bread that no other anons have done: 1) By looking at the building lights in the background we have confirmed the LisaMI6 pic and embankment pics were taken the SAME NIGHT. That was a question answered. 2) We have observed pics taken at High tide. It may help us later. Would have been easier to nail down date in December, but now it may not be Oct, Nov, Dec due to the fact that 3) we found no Christmas decorations or advertisements (as documented here that they did/do advertise special Christmas parties- thanks to picture evidence of said banners). But the Flynn story now comes to mind with the infamous Cambridge dinner set-up that happened in February 2014. Cognitive dissonance.

>>9665294

Forgot to add to items above, 4) confirmed late “night club” nights occurring on Friday and Saturday nights only during 2013 and 2014 using historical picture evidence.

Not bad for just pressing around the edges, anons. Next will be maybe a left turn onto Northumberland to look at the Corinthia Hotel and surroundings? But keeping the discussion open on anything noticed on the TATTS. Thankfully, we only just learned two things from one old picture of her.

>>9664555

Noice old PBY. Americans gave some to the Brits in WW2. Saved a lot of downed pilots, Allied and some Germans too. An amazing design. Used them for spotting U-boats and shipping too.

THIS CAP FROM GENERAL RESEARCH. My request for dig into the star constellation in the 2847 pic was acknowledged and is being looked into. It is in Kek’s hands now. Will post caps here if anything further is noted. See cap of anon’s response in General.

>>9669315

Great work bringing out the image on “Orion” constellation. It was like Christmas to get that. And it looks like you might have found the planet Venus over the Wilde Maus roller-coaster. May help with a Google Sky determination. Aren’t there programs that you can input a date and see the night sky for that date then scroll thru to get a match for a date? I thot Goog Sky could do that. Maybe I watched too much TV?

But here is a fun fact. You know how the pic we are looking for is NSA Traf CAM LONDON 2748?

If you Goog search NGC 2748, you get a real galaxy. Interesting.

The Wikipage is in Polish or something but on the left side of the page there are other languages but no English. I converted the page to German and used a Yandex translator.

https://translate.yandex.com

Undiscovered(kind of) stars learned? Weird coincidence, huh?

Why did Q name that Traf Cam pic London 2847, the only one with recoverable images of stars (that I could bring up anyway)with my cellphone. Interdasting?

>>9671273

>it has been a follow-on from werk of other Anons here.

I think your vid covers post 2943? The Q pic is Traf CAM LONDON 2847 and there is a galaxy 2847.

Did I misunderstand you to be saying the 2847 star was covered already?

>>9672367

Whoever that anon was, he never felt a paper map in his hand. I estimated a 200 degree bearing to SSSW just eyeballing GOOG MAP.

>>9672377

You sound capable, Anon. How would you like to be THE anon who put a date on those Traffic Cam Q pics? But seriously, thanks for that. And more seriously, jump on in, Anon! Don’t be a stranger. Contrary to the belief of some, we do want to put a bow on top of this dig. Welcome aboard, Anon.

>>9669315

Frens, have included caps of

1)GoogMap(observe which direction the little red arrow is pointing to indicate North. So, just be clear, WE ARE FACING SOUTH.

2) From Orion’s Belt(blocked by skyline) is Orion’s Sword which kind of points to the left. The sword points to DUE SOUTH on the horizon in the NSA_Traf_CAM_LONDON2748, we are facing SOUTH.

If you already knew this, sorry. Just making sure we are on the same page.

Thought anons working on the ORION dig might appreciate this song.

https://youtu.be/FvybySxaVRA

>>9675179

That looks promising, anon. Thanks very much for posting that. Cheers.

>>9675312

We will, anon. Thanks again.

>>9675761

>>9675563

I also came across a website that makes memorial night sky presentations for specific dates that are important to them. See pics related.

https://create.thenightsky.com/en/design

I chose London, UK on 5JAN2014 at 11:05pm. Got real close. Am thinking the belt is never going to be perfect orientation, but just below are 3 stars I marked in Blue that match what we are currently zeroed in on as the belt. Cheers, fam!

P.S. Have not tried that new website yet. Have just come back from digging.

>>9675988

Kek! Someone doesn’t like us talking about Lisa. Hmmm seems Q wanted us talking about Lisa. Do we have the wrong Lisa in London that Winter?

>>9675761

>I am flattered that a bit of boatfagging has caused so much stir on what was a rather serene board.

HMember when we had that dig on certain luxury marine vessels and tenders? We had shills getting nervous then too. I still check on a certain vessel in Tarragona, Spain just to stay in that dig. Just like old times. One slow night I was telling our VidAnon fren a little about our dig but mostly as it touched on shills, and taking the dig where it goes. You may never a tag by Q but you know some of your posts made a difference. Stick around Boatfag. You been doin good.

>>9678340

There does appear to be some line there on the star chart. Not mine though. The sword is there though, pointing(figuratively, with no lines). All I did was draw an outline around ORION.

>>9678627

Dream Weaver. Probably sold. Finished dry dock work recently. Been there for 9 months or so. But never moved other than ashore for repair/remodel.

>>9681899

Wish I could use the Stellarium but am unable with my device. Want to just observe that am unable to find an orientation of The Belt that is horizontal to the horizon. Was only using Night Sky site. In one depiction of Orion there are 3 stars lower than the Belt that would match but isn’t the Belt supposed to be the most obvious feature in the sky? I am still hopeful that anons will find a match. See related pics. Can anons find a more horizontal looking Belt/Date? To be clear, yes I know the stars circled in blue are not the Belt(underlined in green) but this is how the stars are oriented in the 2748 Cam pic. We need to try to find this more horizontal configuration of stars.

>>9681899

>Caveats?

My best times were 11ish. Has been stated earlier this thread that best viewings were after 9? But was following “after hours” theory.

Also, let’s take our time now that we’ve got this new tool. Pay attention to orientation on “Orion’s belt.” Yes I am not committing on it yet. It’s too soon and we must get that orientation right. Another Winter month? Or another constellation? They certainly don’t look the same irl as on star charts do they? But the charts are still useful for discussion. We are close, but be cautious of trying to rush a “fit”. This may require a day-by-day search, searching the different hours each night. But it is do-able. Good “HUNTING”, Huntsmen!

>>9678061

Good work, anon. It may take a lot of queries but the three stars we have been calling Orion’s belt need to be oriented in a more horizontal line with the horizon. We may have the wrong month in Winter perhaps. Not sure now, but seem to recall Q’s comment about the time of year being on the Piccadilly and WinterWonderland pics. Remember Boatfag finding the advertising banner on the TATTS about Christmas parties (pic was Tin-eyed to October 2014)? Am NOT an astronomer, so I have as many questions as the next anon. But, not having been told the Embankment pics are Winter, we must also keep an open mind on “cold” months preceding or following Winter 2014. So, we have late 2013(Oct?)before Christmas. We have Winter months after that Christmas(after decorations removed). Then, I can’t recall now if VidAnon had eliminated any of 2014, but at the moment, we could still go into late Fall 2014(before holiday decorations).

Oh btw, if you are trying to be mindful if the Q pic being “after hours” in your searches, am posting what we feel the business hours were for 2013/2014 for the TATTS. This was our best Wayback combined with Boatfag’s picture proof (advert banners on the TATTS) of late hours only occurring on Fridays and Saturdays. Thank you, Anon. Your help is much appreciated. This can be done.

>>9685473

You know, I only just mentioned this about the pic posted here of Venus over the Wilde Maus. But I failed to elaborate. Much going on right now. But we could search the position of VENUS as it orbited the night sky in DECEMBER 2013. THIS WILL BE OUR EASIEST SEARCH THUS FAR.

Am referencing VidAnon’s pic of Venus over Wilde Maus.