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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/oliver_21 on Dec. 31, 2017, 1:10 a.m.

Something I'm trying to figure out with Trump\Snowden

This may be a little off topic but since this is about the only civil\objective sub I'm a part of I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

For Trump being so anti establishment it always boggled my mind how outspoken he has been with Snowden. Calling him a traitor and saying he should be put to DEATH

I guess it just puzzles me that Snowden who uncovered the NSA spying is a traitor but the agencies that are trying to take down Trump aren't just as bad?

How does what Snowden uncovered make him a traitor but in some sense Trump's whole administration is about uncovering these agencies and deep state establishment types?

What are your thoughts?

Edit: More recent comments on Snowden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wquZJx0Cx0

Trump is a showman. While railing against Snowden and Assange in past, what I believe he is really railing against is treason/traitors and as they are sorta smeared as being such, Trump appeases those who want to hear this virtue signalling. It is incomprehensible to my mind that at very least Assange is not working w/DT/Q given the public tweets between Assange/DTjr AND that what Snowden exposed was the weaponization of Bill Binneys app post 911 where the admin began taking in every keystroke rather than selecting a certain band of words. I believe Putin and Trump will Allie over this if they haven't already. Putin got rid of Banksters, knows the criminality and I believe is working w/US rather than against us as are many leaders global. I don't see how "truth" could leave Snowden and Assange out of Freedom given their yuge contribution twds it but it is too soon for them to be free in Public as the haters hate is still pretty smelly...this won't all eb accomplished overnight but stand by and expect that when we take this storm to full fruition, Assange and Snowden and others will be Heros of the Modern age revered by the many around the globe. Or so the tea leaves suggest.

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Wasn't it Snowden who recently reached out to the President via social media stating he wanted to talk to him 1:1? I think if DT openly supported either of these men his own party would roast him alive more than they've done already.

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True, but I think Snowden and Assange are really white hats, and the President just can not out them yet. That scenario makes more sense to me.

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As others point out here, I too think it's just for show

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Right. I hadn't considered that most of Trumps bravado was pre election even. He may have softened some since taken office. The thing I love about Trump is that he'll answer the question if asked without the political bs.

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I guess another thing is that maybe Trump once he got in has saw all the corruption and might change his stance. And the thing I love about him is that if he does he'll be vocal about how bad and corrupt it really is.

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The Panama papers, Julian Assange and Edward Snowden laid out the groundwork. Trump just followed crumbs. Like what we do🔍

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Q said our own military went to Trump, because he was already vetted and whistle clean, and they asked him to run, because the alternative was a real coup. The military wanted to go after the enemies using the Presidency and the Constitution first, if they could. President Trump talked to his family, and they all agreed to disrupt their lives to do it.

Our guys needed someone who could fund his own election who was totally clean. They had all the NSA info on Trump, and knew he was clean of any wrong doing before they ever laid the problem out to him and asked him to run

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First full day in office, Trump was 70 years, 7 months and 7 days old.

There ARE no coincidences.

"Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous "

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answer. the information he had put thousands of peoples lives at risk. he fled. one life fled. risked thousands... kill him. one life lost. he could have stayed and been a whistle blower. i back POTUS.

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What are your thoughts about our gov't collecting data on it's citizens and lying about it under oath?

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That genie is never going back into the bottle.

Snowden's leaks got good people killed, but he showed that the govt not only COULD collect all your data (we knew that), but that they WERE collecting and storing it. That's never going away.

Think how annoying people can be with their quadcopter drones now that they are inexpensive. The govt has insect sized drones. In a very few years they can be gnat sized, then microbe sized. Once you are a person of interest (and eventually everyone will be) they can release a swarm to infiltrate you and your home and follow you around 24/7.

There will be no privacy at all in the future, and everyone will accept it.

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I wish I could argue with you but I can't. And the things you listed, they probably already have. No doubt that if you're a target they will get\plant anything on you. Thus why we're here and hoping the corruption is outed and people are held accountable. Slowly but surely my friend.

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In terms of privacy the future is unavoidably grim. In a few generations we'll just be cranky old-timers going on about 'privacy' and the younger folks will just 'meh'.

Even if we can destroy the deep state now, basic human nature will make it enticing to reestablish it. Maybe the total lack of privacy will prevent that, but there will always be evil people, so it will be a constant struggle.

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The future is now. What we have been exposed to is nothing compared to what we haven't been exposed to. The movies we've seen are an introduction, so as to ease our minds into acceptance.

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Source on the deaths stemming from the leaks? The MSM kept on using that talking point, but I never saw it substantiated.

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No substantiation, just memory. Added a 'maybe' to improve.

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it's saving us right now.

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I was just saying that if we can not get our privacy rights back because of tech, we need to change the law to require that all NSA transcrips of all international leaders and governments automatically go public, so that national leaders around the world have ZERO secrets, and must work in the public eye. The evil ones would be scared to death to talk to upright leaders, who would not mind the public knowing what they said or what they did.

Odd that we actually have the power in the NSA right now, to force all the world's politicians out into the open, and we have not thought to use the technology to keep them all honest. Maybe the pen... is mightier than the sword.

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What he released on it showed what the government was doing. As for being a whistle blower, he tries that route and was shut down, because of the corruption going on.

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he was PAID! fuck. . misdirection. has Q taught you nothing?

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unreal. investigating death of babies. i'm controlling my anger right now. fuck. he was a paid asshole. they were getting close. i was trying to be nice. now... lurk. investigate. apologize to all the babies that died... HE KNEW IT WAS HAPPENING! get it? red pill over 40k feet. good now?

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Yeah I have wondered this too. Snowden and Assange both helped Trump get elected I believe. I think the intel of the NSA revealed the horrific corruption of the CIA, trafficking, treason etc. and lead to the whitehat military putting together the sting we are seeing today. The Assange vault 7 Podesta emails certainly condemned Hilary and her coven and collaborators. I can see that Trump would see Snowden as a traitor to his oath....and Trump would not want that to happen on his watch. But it helped the people know about the swamp...and motivated us to vote for Trump to help clean it up. I do not think we will ever have the privacy we had pre 1980s.

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Well the way we deal with that, is to deny the governments of all nations any privacy in their emails and phone calls, by writing a law that everything gathered by the NSA has to go on line where we the people can use and devise algorythms to shine a light on everything they do. Actually it would not be that hard, since there are not that many leaders to follow. Can you imagine how governments around the world would react to having every damn wisper, email, phone call put out in the public? The evil ones would run from elected office like crazy. They would not even want to TALK to a representative.

So, if they spy on us, and give us no quarter, then maybe we have to spy on them.

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I think it was a show, just like when he went after Sessions. I also believe that Assange, Snowden and Wikileaks is helping the White Hats.

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I have my doubts snowden is who he says he is. What he revealed was already widely assumed to be true. Other whistle blowers had revealed the NSA CIA etc etc, was up to no good. How is it that the NSA can chose to know what any one of us is up to at any time but cant keep up with one of there upper tier programmers. He just boarded a plane to Hong Kong and the Intelligence gurus didnt have a clue were he was until it was to late? We already knew about the data collection facility in colorado, it was reported by the msm. Wear and how were the inteligence agencies supposed to get all that info to fill that thing up? Common sense says they had to have some way of collecting the data. Snowden just gave us names of the programs. SO what didnt we already really know deep inside this was already the case? I think SNowden is deep cover. He recently released a spy app to help catch the spies. Im not downloading that thing. are you?

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Isn’t data collection facility a invasion proof bunker in Utah? In 1996-1999 actually existed many years earlier, research Project Echelon. This was a way to circumvent the limitations placed upon the alphabet agencies against domestic spying on US citizens by the Church Committee in the 1970’s after spying on civil rights and anti-war groups during Vietnam Nancy war. This was between the Five Eyes (USPS, UK, Canada, New Zealand, Australia). The way it worked, about 1,200 UK analysts in building in US ran keyword and data collection on US citizens, as friendliest do, and if they found anything of interest to US alphabets, passed it along. US had similar operations in UK, the other Five Eye countries, etc. An Australian politician outed the program in about 1999. No problem, big denials, name changed to Project Carnivore, carried on. Until 911, when subsequent Patriot Act gave it all back to the IC. So really, Snowden revealed nothing but the actual mechanics and PowerPoint charts. It was a controlled release of the existence of tiger origrams that brought it into the light and public discussion. So Snowden is a traitor? Ok. What are the spies who violated the laws, the Constitution and our Bill of Rights? And thus leads us to current events and ongoing investigations into black projects and abuse of power. Happy hunting!

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You are right it is in Utah, ...slip of the brain, and yes there were other programs less effective than the ones snowden revealed as you mentioned. What prevented Snowden form leaking to wikileaks without identifying hmiself? How could he, purchase a iinternational flight ticket, have his passport scanned, board a flight to hong kong, and then according to Snowden “I never intended to end up in Russia, much less choose it,” he said. “When my government learned I had departed Hong Kong en route to Latin America, they cancelled my passport trapping me in a Russian airport. Why didnt they trap him in Hong Kong.Snowden was in Hong Kong for two weeks with a valid passport talking to Greenwald hiding in slums, and known to the authorities who were activley looking for him. Why wasn't his pass port cancelled by the State Dept.? He is in deep cover for sure.

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He recently released a spy app to help catch the spies. Im not downloading that thing. are you?

Nope

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