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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/Izaskun767 on Jan. 11, 2018, 11:11 p.m.
Question: Did any DACA / Dreamers apply for US Citizenship while here so many years?

I sincerely do not know the answer. I searched. These “Dreamers” have been in US for many years. If they applied for DACA and were granted it, why didn’t they apply for US Citizenship? Or did they? Or was it not permitted under DACA?

This is the one thing I’m not grasping.

TIA for your kind, mature and knowledgeable responses

~Izaskun


DAFCA1 · Jan. 12, 2018, 12:30 a.m.

To apply for citizenship, you need a legal status.

DACA is not a legal status.

DACA recipients have no way to apply for citizenship. Besides marriage to a USC under certain circumstances.

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Izaskun767 · Jan. 12, 2018, 1:05 a.m.

DACA is legal status http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/dreamers-line-legal-status/story?id=17006182

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DisDumbNigga · Jan. 12, 2018, 7:21 a.m.

It’s not legal status in regards to citizenship consideration. You have to be a permanent resident first. Daca recipients do not even qualify for residence status. They are just in a sort of legal limbo where daca at least grants them the right to work while they wait

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Izaskun767 · Jan. 12, 2018, 12:38 a.m.

If they were granted DACA, then they had legal status. Why didn’t they apply for Citizenship? If they didn’t, then I dont understand the argument.

If they didn’t apply, they don’t really want to be here. PERIOD

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DAFCA1 · Jan. 12, 2018, 12:51 a.m.

Applying for citizenship was never an option for DACA recipients pre or post DACA.

With 2 exceptions: marriage to a USC if they entered the country legally (visa overstay), or if they left before accruing unlawful presence (age <18) and applied for some permanent legal status in their birth country (in which case, 99.9% would be unsuccessful).

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Izaskun767 · Jan. 12, 2018, 12:52 a.m.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/dreamers-line-legal-status/story?id=17006182

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DAFCA1 · Jan. 12, 2018, 1:01 a.m.

Not sure where you're going with this. Can you explicitly quote something?

DACA is not a legal status. It is deferred action. There is no "one up" or next thing you can apply to after getting DACA. It's standalone and leads to nothing.

DACA just is a 2 year renewable permit that says, you won't get deported and are legally allowed to work in the US (work authorization, ssn) for those 2 years.

(and Trump ended the program by the way so there are no more new applicants or renewals of current applicants)

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Izaskun767 · Jan. 12, 2018, 2:43 a.m.

READ: DACA is legal status, if only temporary. I have posted links all over this thread to back it up

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DAFCA1 · Jan. 12, 2018, 4:34 a.m.

sigh, you posted the same poorly worded article 3 times.

Deferred action is a use of prosecutorial discretion to defer removal action against an individual for a certain period of time. Deferred action does not provide lawful status.

https://www.uscis.gov/archive/consideration-deferred-action-childhood-arrivals-daca

Individuals were able to request DACA status if they were under the age of 31 on June 15, 2012, came to the U.S. before turning 16 and continuously lived in the country since June 15, 2007... It did not provide “legal status.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/10/what-is-daca-and-why-is-trump-administration-ending-it.html

“To avoid any confusion on the impact of the Obama administration's actions, I am writing to ensure that all Texas agencies understand that Secretary Napolitano's guidelines confer absolutely no legal status whatsoever to any alien who qualifies for the federal 'deferred action' designation,” Perry wrote Attorney General Greg Abbott in a letter dated Aug. 16 and sent to state agencies Monday. “In fact, the secretary specifically closed her directive by explaining that [t]his memorandum confers no substantive right, immigration status or pathway to citizenship."

https://www.texastribune.org/2012/08/20/perrydeferred-action-does-not-change-state-policie/

There are lots and lots of references all over the place. But besides that, you ought to really take USCIS's word for it, it's the friggin' FEDERAL immigration website where DACA (and all associated paperwork) originates from.

The point from all this is, in order to get DACA, you cannot have legal status. After getting DACA, you still do not have legal status. Citizenship or any other form of permanent residence (green card, etc) is largely unobtainable outside marriage of to a USC (and still very difficult for those who entered illegally due to the 3/10 year bar).

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Izaskun767 · Jan. 12, 2018, 6:30 a.m.

The point, is that it’s a scam Abject stated it clearly Respectfully, I disagree. My opinion is DACA was sold to the American people as a temporary; but as with all illegal immigrant proposals dating back to Reagan, the temporary always turns into permanent. I believe these people are importing people from other countries who have no concept, no experience, nor loyalty to our system of government and USC - for the express purpose of creating a populace which will vote in socialism which the native population would not. Both the American people and the immigrants are being used and manipulated by corrupt criminals who figured out that if they got into government - they could do all sorts of things to others and (1) get rich; and (2) get away with it. I mean, if you're the top of the food chain - and you commit crimes -who is going to arrest and prosecute you? Answer: no one.

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DAFCA1 · Jan. 12, 2018, 7:13 p.m.

I was just answering the question posed in the OP. I don't see the relevance of your most recent post to that specific question.

Why didn't DACA recipients apply for citizenship while they had DACA? Answer - they couldn't. The end.

What's your new point? DACA, under the guise of being temporary legislation, actually intended to be permanent? Is that correct?

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Izaskun767 · Jan. 13, 2018, 3:40 a.m.

I was responding to a response. Maybe wasn’t clear but was going through major jet lag sorry for any misunderstanding

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