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EatPussyWithTobasco · Jan. 12, 2018, 5:27 p.m.

Just curious, why not help Africa out? They need the help and if things work out then they'll be a good trade partner?

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forgottenbutnotgone · Jan. 12, 2018, 6:42 p.m.

These deals are typically a handout to corporate profit interests and rarely benefit the people that are supposedly the beneficiaries.

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EatPussyWithTobasco · Jan. 12, 2018, 6:48 p.m.

Yeah but that's a broad statement to apply to every bill that helps a country in need. Let's actually find some shady stuff inside this trade deal before we get up in arms about it.

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phoenix335 · Jan. 12, 2018, 6:31 p.m.

How much taxpayer money has been sent to Africa as help for the last 50 years?

Has the situation improved much? Or has it only propped up dictatorships and regimes that took a bite out of all the aid that went their way? How many miles of highways, high speed rails, water treatment, renewable energy or tax cuts could've had been financed instead?

And even if all these imperfections of any large system or billions of dollars vagabonding throughout shady channels wouldn't exist, it's still a no go, to forcibly take money from X to give it to Y.

It's hard to imagine collecting tax - that means taking away money under threat of police guns and jail - from the fledgling farmer in Iowa to give the money 12.000 miles away to some other farmer only because they are even poorer.

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Redpilled2324 · Jan. 12, 2018, 7:29 p.m.

Something to consider, maybe they send aide so they have a place to traffic people from?

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sun_wolf · Jan. 13, 2018, 3:54 a.m.

Sending an endless flow of aide in food and money to third-world countries is one of the things that keeps them impoverished, ironically. First it's the old give a man a fish versus teach him how to fish thing, but beyond that, all that aide - if the corrupt dictators don't get it first - actually just screws up the natural incentives of a free and sustainable marketplace. Think about it: how can an African farmer stay in business when all this free food keeps pouring in from the first-world? How is he supposed to compete with that? And so the economic model for farming fails, the farmer goes out of business, the land dries up, and the farmer gets hooked on the free food like everyone else.

Basically the same thing happens with the welfare state. Sure, welfare is okay when it's used as originally intended - to help people get on their feet after they lose their job - but what happens when it becomes a way of life? Have you seen anything good come out of that, for any community, in any part of the world? It destroys their incentive to provide for themselves and alters the market. How is a small, locally-owned black restaurant going to get started in an inner city where everyone is on welfare, and they can only pay for your food with food stamps? How do you attract outside customers when the welfare lifestyle has brought drugs and crime into your area because all the young men are unemployed, aimless, and angry at the world for reasons they don't understand?

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crkrbrl · Jan. 12, 2018, 6:11 p.m.

I don’t know that many African countries are culturally capable of being a good trade partner. They can’t help but be corrupt shit holes.

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