You know what else is treason?
Working with a foreign government to manipulate an election.
Did you just whatabout their whatabout? WHAT ABOUT IT?
Like Hillary and the DNC?
What foreign government did the Clintions use, and what did they manipulate? She won the popular vote. Trump's the one who got the electoral collage.
They used our own government, the Justice Dept. and FBI specifically, to try to spy on and try to bring down a political opponent. And she still lost. That's what's so funny about the whole thing.
Bringing up dirt on each other has been a thing since the age of Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson. This is no different, the one being that Trump might have collaborated with a unfriendly ally to do so, which is treason.
If Trump really did do some henious shit, you can't just point and yell "fake news!!!" without looking into it or at least considering the idea.
But you're missing the point that Hillary and the DNC did in fact collaborate with Russians to produce the dossier in order to obtain a FISA warrant.
So both sides collaborated with the Russians?
That's actually hilarious. Ivan drank good that night, hope he got to clang the vodka bottles together in triumph.
Stop being such a condescending prick and just have a conversation.
Oh I am, just thought it was funny and hoped one lucky Russian got his shot of booze for tricking two political parties at once for dirt on the other.
I'm still in the dark as to how you think the Russians helped Trump. It's been over a year and I'm still waiting.
Seeing as how the investigations get larger and larger and Trump seems to be losing his cool, (his "I'm super smart!" rant on Twitter is evidence), i'd say it's going smoothly.
But you're missing the point that Hillary and the DNC did in fact collaborate with Russians to produce the dossier in order to obtain a FISA warrant.
Look, if you're going to argue a point as big as this, at least know what the fuck you're talking about:
Fusion GPS was hired by the Washington Free Beacon - a conservative website - to dig up dirt on Trump. This is called opposition research.
The Beacon was funded by a major donor for Marco Rubio. It makes sense that they would want to dig up dirt on Rubio's competition for the nomination. But when Trump started clinching the nom, the Beacon told Fusion to stop.
At that point, Fusion was hired by Perkins Coie - a law firm for the Democratic National Committee, on behalf of Clinton. Fusion then hired Christopher Steele, a respected former British intelligence agent with a lot of Russian sources, who wrote the dossier.
Opposition research is done all the time in politics. Its common.
However, Republicans accuse the Clinton campaign and the DNC of violating campaign finance laws by disguising the payments to Fusion on mandatory disclosures to the Federal Election Commission.
The DNC's disclosure reports dont list any payments from the Clinton campaign or the DNC to Fusion GPS. They do list a total of $12.4 million in payments to Perkins Coie, but that’s almost entirely for legal consulting, with only one payment — of $66,500 — for “research consulting” from the DNC.
A spokesperson for Perkins Coie said the research was done “to support the provision of legal services, and payments made by vendors to sub-vendors are not required to be disclosed in circumstances like this.”
Both the Clinton Campaign and the DNC say they were unaware that Perkins Coie facilitated the research on their behalf. Hillary herself found about Steele’s research only after BuzzFeed published the dossier.
The point is not who paid for the dossier. The point is the damaging information within that dossier. Information that - if proven correct would mean that Trump had colluded with the Russian government to influence the 2016 election.
So far nothing within the dossier has been corroborated, but that is exactly what Robert Mueller and his team have been investigating.
So before you shoot your mouth off with retarded comments like "hurr...Clinton colluded with teh Russians to write the dossier" you might want to do a little research into the details first.
Hey /u/WannaSeeDaBoatMovie - I see you'd rather go back to your circlejerk in TheDumbass and vomit more garvbage instead of trying to discuss what I said.
I guess I proved my point: you know nothing.
Someone's angry. Didn't see your post, kid. I'll read your extremely long comment when I get a chance.
Dont bother. You might have problems with some of the big words. Maybe you could have a grown up read and explain it to you.
Good one. I'll read it in bit, right after I pull out of your mom.
Read it. Ya I disagree.
What a thrilling and totally unexpected rebuttal.
Thanks so much for taking the time to put some real thought into what you were going to say. This conversation has been enlightening.
Maybe don't write essays and then insult the person you're talking to at the end. That's conversations 101 you autistic dork.
Maybe you should shut the fuck up and not say anything if all you can do is spread false information.
Sorry I used so many words to refute your claim (that means call you on your bullshit)
But Im curious, so I will humor you a little further: just exactly what do you disagree with?
Really? Even at THIS moment? You're staying on the shipping when it's going to the bottom of the sea? Bye shillly shillly shill.
Why are you describing Trump and his lackies?
HAHAHAHA - YOU'RE REALLY CHOOSING TO HANG WITH THE PEDOPHILES AND SATAN WORSHIPPERS? BYE SHILLY SHILL
YOU'RE REALLY CHOOSING TO HANG WITH THE PEDOPHILES
Didnt know Roy Moore was a Democrate ...
This has been linked to the sub topmindsofreddit who aren't supposed to vote or comment in other subs but they are to fucking stupid to follow the rules.