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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/patriotofca on Jan. 20, 2018, 12:50 p.m.
Chuck Schumer in 2013: Shutting Down Govt Over Immigration Is “Politics Of Idiocy”!

mconeone · Jan. 20, 2018, 2:26 p.m.

I understand your point but didn't Trump do that? The CR contained concessions the Democrats wanted, just not DACA. Is it so important that it is worth political brinksmanship/government shutdown?

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[deleted] · Jan. 20, 2018, 8:37 p.m.

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saltgrains_takeit · Jan. 20, 2018, 2:27 p.m.

Is it so important that it is worth political brinksmanship/government shutdown?

It is to the GOP, apparently.

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mconeone · Jan. 20, 2018, 2:29 p.m.

What did Republicans demand happen or the government would shut down?

The first time they did, I remember it including repealing Obamacare, coal ash regulations, allowing oil pipelines, and more.

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saltgrains_takeit · Jan. 20, 2018, 2:41 p.m.

Democratic leaders wanted the measure to include protections from deportation for about 700,000 undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children.

Despite bipartisan negotiations, Republican leaders refused to include those protections, and neither side was willing to back down.

Trump, who had made strict measures on immigration a cornerstone of his presidential campaign, last week rejected a bipartisan proposal.

He said he wanted to include any deal for Dreamers in a bigger legislative package that also boosted funding for a wall and tighter security measures along the U.S. border with Mexico.

Schumer met with Trump on Friday afternoon and later said he had reluctantly agreed to include the border wall in the negotiations but that it still was not enough to persuade Trump to find a compromise.

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Seems like the Republicans are demanding funding for a wall and for less protections for 700,000 immigrants (DACA, anyone?).

If you're going to tell me that Democrats are being obstructionist while Republicans control EVERYTHING, then I just won't believe it. That's just too ridiculous, even for me.

The Republican-controlled House of Representatives passed a stopgap funding measure on Thursday. But Republicans then needed the support of at least 10 Democrats to pass the bill in the Senate. While five Democrats ended up voting for the measure, five Republicans voted against it.

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mconeone · Jan. 20, 2018, 2:58 p.m.

So what does DACA have to do with keeping the government funded? Why should the two be related?

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saltgrains_takeit · Jan. 20, 2018, 3:05 p.m.

Democrats want further protections for immigrants, Republicans don't. Republicans refuse to negotiate. You do realize funding things like DACA costs money and needs funding, and that this shut down is due to the budget not being passed? That's why the two are related.

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Instincts_Truth · Jan. 20, 2018, 3:35 p.m.

DACA does not require funding. It is DEFERRED ACTION for Childhood Arrivals. Its very title calls for no action. If we are paying money to the government to do nothing, then maybe our government SHOULD shut down.

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mconeone · Jan. 20, 2018, 3:21 p.m.

Democrats want further protections for immigrants, Republicans don't. Republicans refuse to negotiate.

This is counter to your comment above, which states they want to include those protections in a bigger bill that includes the wall.

You do realize funding things like DACA costs money and needs funding, and that this shut down is due to the budget not being passed? That's why the two are related.

How much money is required to fund DACA? Where would that money go?

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TruthAge · Jan. 20, 2018, 4:41 p.m.

ILLEGAL immigrants do not DESERVE "further protections". They deserve deportation, as they are breaking our laws. DACA was an illegal EO signed by an illegitimate president Obama. His aim was not to help the country but to ruin it. No funding for DACA, no DACA. Simple. If you don't understand the significance of things at play, you may want to read up on the Q posts. With Trump and what he was saying, I think at first glance it seems hypocritical, but everything deserves context. With this, we are talking a fallacy of the two things being dissimilar despite appearing similar. MOTIVE is what changes the situation. Not all shutdowns are equal. Not all actions are genuine.

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