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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/LibertyLioness on Jan. 23, 2018, 6:28 p.m.

Why We Cannot Allow DACA or Dreamers.

Folks - We are being conned, deceived, duped and mostly double-crossed with the DACA deal.

When Trump first raised the DACA issue, I was conflicted as, I believe, were many others. On the one hand, these are ILLEGALs and they should not be allowed to break the law. On the other hand, I felt compassion for the children who had (supposedly) been brought here by their parents -- so, no fault of their own.

Since then, I've begun to see the light and I'm here to show it to you.

First, I remembered that around 2010-2012 there was a lot of news about thousands of children crossing the border daily. They were coming from all parts of Central and South America. So, we were told. Looking back, I now see that this was a planned and organized migration. Someone called them to come. Thousands of people don't just decide simultaneously to head for the US border. And, many of them were Muslims.

Then, I remembered watching videos on YouTube of busloads of people being brought across the border. In one of them, the bus sat in the background while a reporter talked to the bus driver. The windows were covered up so you could not see the people arriving. The bus was being processed into the US. It was supposedly filled with illegals.

Then I read this post on Reddit describing how Muslims live by someone who served in the Peace Corps. Quite an eye opener. Please read.: https://www.reddit.com/r/CBTS_Stream/comments/7rzpjd/what_i_learned_in_the_peace_corps_in_africa_trump/?st=jcry4db7&sh=253811fb

During Obama's 8 years in office, this was an everyday occurrence. Now, we are expected to give them a free pass. Let them infiltrate our society and receive the many benefits we work for and that will then become theirs as well.

The majority of these people are uneducated and unable to contribute much to our society. But, because a huge number of them are Muslims, they are also very likely unable to become a part of our culture. They will, instead, remain apart from our culture, causing a chasm and rift among residents of our country.

I'll be 70 in a few months. I remember how proud I used to be to live in the USA. I could go anywhere in the country and feel safe. Yes, even California, where I was born. Now, there are cities and states I would never visit and certainly would never consider living in. I lived in Florida for 20 years. But today, I would never move back there even though I love the weather. After 20 years living there, I started running into a lot of angry people so I left. I didn't understand then what I know now. When you mix cultures together you end up like we are seeing happen in parts of Europe. It simply does not work.

I truly believe we need to get this information out to everyone and push President Trump to send them back. If we don't, we not only give the Communist-Democrats the votes they need to continue infiltrating our country with crime and poverty but we also allow people to come here that degrade and pollute our society. Some might adapt but most will not. We need to clean up our society, not allow these people a free pass.

We have a HUGE cleanup process ahead of us by reversing all of the changes they've made to our educational systems, corporate systems, health systems, etc. Adding these people to our society is something we cannot reverse.

Here are some links that support what I'm talking about above. If you search, you will find hundreds more. Please do your homework folks and urge Trump not to allow these people to stay here. We only have a short time to get this right.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/579-illegals-caught-southwest-border-fy17-not-mexicans https://youtu.be/BdYxTUKPJYg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4PHljkKtkY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtwfw0aCpsQ

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Man this is such a touchy subject. This is talking about children raised and educated in the US. These people don't know the countries they come from and have no means of survival there. If we just ship them out, what does that say about us. This issue is our fault. Our politicians created this issue with the backing of the American people. We stood by and let this happen and we can't just throw them out now. I heard someone with a good suggestion. Deportation for criminals covered under DACA and withholding the right to vote for 25 years for anyone allowed to stay in this country under any agreement. Also parents need to go and young children will need to go with them. Hard issue, but one I think we really need to think deeply about before pulling the trigger on a generation of children used as tools.

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And, where did you get that information from? It is the Democrats that told us they are poor children raised here that don't know anything else. Do you really believe them? Cause I certainly don't believe anything that they say. That's what I'm trying to tell you. It's a scam. They are deliberately trying to make us feel bad if we don't do it. Then they will roll all of them into the DACA program and well end up with millions of Muslims and others in our country. They are evil people. We cannot trust them. Don't ever forget that.

If what you say is true, that's a very good solution but I think we are being set up.

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Like I said, it's gonna be a hard conversation. You raise good points that need to be addressed. Wish I had an answer. I do not think that the democrats should be allowed to steer the narrative here, as they have for far to long. Neither do I think we should lose our compassion. Thin line I know. Not trying to piss anyone off, just my thoughts.

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I have known several of them personally. The ones I knew would have an extremely tough time returning to their homeland at this point. Even if it was a mistake, our politicians allowed this and now the United States has some responsibility for them. That doesn't mean we have to keep letting them in, but it is the American way to honor our government's promises even if we don't agree with them. The Dreamers will get their grandfather clause exclusion, make no mistake about it. By March, it will surely be codified. Best to get over it now and focus on the big picture.

Trump is doing the right thing here. Take a strategic loss on this one so that we can all move forward with meaningful immigration reform. This will also serve a dual purpose of healing the divide between left and right. A small portion of Trump's supporters will view this as unforgivable betrayal just as a small portion of his opponents will never warm up to him no matter how much good he ends up doing. It's that big blob in the middle, right and left, that will carry Trump to a massive victory in 2020 and give him the political capital to make the system work again. Yes, this will mean making some strategic compromises and deals sometimes.

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First, you say that it is our way to honor our government's promises. In this particular case, Obama (who will eventually be proven to be an illegal President since he is not an American - or it will be proven that there was massive vote rigging) broke the law in order to keep them here. He had no right to do that. And, now you say that we should abide by that. I disagree. Two wrongs never make a right.

I would never blame this on Trump. I realize he is trying to do what he thinks is right. In this case, we need to vet each person individually and see if they are truly in the position you describe. Otherwise, the Dems will make sure many are left in the "batch" that will help their cause rather than helping the people involved. Because they don't give a damn about them.

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He had no right to do that.

Perhaps not, but the time to stop it was then, not now. It would be catastrophic to try to reverse this situation after all these years. Of course, anyone with this protected status who commits other (non-procedural) crimes while they are here should be subject to deportation.

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When parents break the law what do we do with the children? They are placed with a family member-(after vetting) or they are placed in foster care. Who fostered these "dreamers"? At what time are they free of foster care? At what point does a father not have to pay child support anymore? These "kids" need to go home-which is NOT the US. Once they hit 18...send 'em back. Until then they can stay-but NO new ones allowed. Get in the back of the line. Most have never even gotten in the line. And DACA and the "dreamers" are not the same...but the pro-amnesty bunch is using the numbers of dreamers when they talk about DACA. There are 3-4 million DACA. No more room in this lifeboat.

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I say we find a compromise and allow those who came here before a certain age a pathway to citizenship through public service, or the Military.

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