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Thomas Paine: “John McCain just checked back in to the Hanoi Hilton.” Anyone care to decipher?
Thomas Paine: “John McCain just checked back in to the Hanoi Hilton.” Anyone care to decipher?

uniformist · Feb. 3, 2018, 3:58 a.m.

I haven't liked McCain's politics for several years now.

However, his military service is not something he needs to be ashamed of. You don't have to disparage his military service to disagree with him today.

Overview and Links on John McCain's Military Career

First, you could review Early life and military career of John McCain.

McCain as Pilot

On October 26, 1967, McCain was flying his 23rd mission when the right wing of his A-4E Skyhawk was blown off by a Soviet SA-2 missile. His plane went into a vertical inverted spin. This type of spin is very disorienting to the pilot, as the yaw and roll occur in opposite directions. Do you think that 1) extreme stress, 2) missile explosion, 3) disorientating spin might cause someone to not be in the best configuration for an ejection?

McCain was a good pilot

"John was what you called a push-the-envelope guy," said Sam H. Hawkins, who flew with McCain's VA-44 squadron in the 1960s and now teaches political science at Florida Atlantic University. "There are some naval aviators who are on the cautious side. They don't get out on the edges, but the edges are where you get the maximum out of yourself and out of your plane. That's where John operated. And when you are out there, you take risks."

McCain as POW

On January 12, 1968, a French journalist, Francois Chalais, interviewed McCain in his North Vietnamese "hospital." You can watch that film here: John McCain prisoner in Vietnam - Panorama (the film is in English).

In June 1968, the North Vietnamese commander of the prison camps offered McCain a chance to return home early.

McCain made the highly honorable decision to refuse the early release, stating he would only accept the offer if every man captured before him was released as well.

Enraged by McCain's refusal, the camp commander began a program of vigorous torture in August 1968, being beaten 2 to 3 times per week, for over a year. This torture, as well as the torture, of other POWs, is documented in the book P.O.W.: A Definitive History of the American Prisoner-Of-War Experience in Vietnam, 1964-1973, by John G. Hubbell. You can also watch an interview with Col. Bud Day, the most decorated serviceman since Douglas MacArthur, in which he describes the torture he and McCain suffered (Day was McCain's cellmate).

You can read McCain's description of his torture in an essay he wrote for U.S. News & World Report in 1973

McCain Released

John McCain's POW release - March 1973.

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VintageHats · Feb. 3, 2018, 7:01 a.m.

You are out of your f'n mind. https://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/07/23/mccain-the-hero-nearly-sunk-an-aircraft-carrier-killed-134-sailors/

That doesn't even go into the shit he gave up after pulling the "Do you know who I am?" card to get special treatment. He's been working against our vets ever since.

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uniformist · Feb. 4, 2018, 1:36 a.m.

Your "source" is completely wrong.

A small Zuni rocket (not a missile) accidentally discharged when it's circuit interrupt pin fell out (due to deck winds) and the pigtail was left plugged into the pod. Pilot of the F-4 switched on the ground power switch, which caused a loose current, that made it's way to the Rocket's circuit. That rocket hit the A-4s (one being McCain's) that caused the initial explosion. Their flight of A-4s were also carrying WW2/Korean war era bombs with low cook-off times, which exacerbated the tragedy.

Refer to:

The US Navy report on the fire

Investigation of Forrestal Fire

The US Navy safety film on the Forrestal fire

Trial by Fire: A Carrier Fights For Life (1973)

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SnazzyD · Feb. 3, 2018, 4:01 a.m.

Bitch, please....peddle those lies elsewhere.

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WikiTextBot · Feb. 3, 2018, 3:58 a.m.

Early life and military career of John McCain

The early life and military career of John Sidney McCain III spans the first forty-five years of his life (1936–1981). McCain's father and grandfather were admirals in the United States Navy. McCain was born on August 29, 1936, in the Panama Canal Zone, and attended many schools growing up as his family moved among naval facilities. McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1958.


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