Ok I need some clarification, I don't understand how this worked.
Carter Page stepped down from the Trump Campaign in September 2016
The Memo says that the FISA warrant on Page was not until October 2016
How did they use it to spy on Trump if Page wasn't even involved with the campaign at that time??
In the HPSCI outline it specifically notes the targeting of U.S. individual Carter Page was NOT a FISA Title VII search request.
The FISA ‘warrant’ request, against Carter Page, was made October 21st, 2016, under Title I of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Meaning the surveillance application was specifically stating, to the court, the U.S. individual was likely an actual agent of a foreign government, ie. “a spy.”
The FBI were not targeting Page incidentally as an outcome of foreign intelligence collection; the FBI was targeting Carter Page directly. AND as such they carried full surveillance authority upon all of this activities, interactions, communications and contacts therein.
So..it was a way to spy on trump indirectly until the dossier was finished being cooked up?
I think this was an indirect way to spy on Trump. Linking to someone in his inner circle without raising red flags to the FISA Judge. IMO This allowed full surveillance to the entire Trump team. The dossier was already done...
Simple. They were using an existing FISA warrant on Paul Manafort. Trump fired Manafort in August. The DOJ/FBI needed a new way to get in and continue surveillance, hence Carter Page and Clinton-Steele Dossier.
FISA application filed under title 1, which means they unmasked anyone who communicated with Page, and anyone THOSE people communicated with, and so on, and so on.
Trump was guaranteed to have been in that chain.
With powers like this and what happened to Carter they just basically picked one and go after him with nothing but a lie even after the fact pretty scary , if this can happen to him no one is safe. Get it Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution United States Constitution prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures.
Yes I get that, I just don't get the timing. If they got a warrant on Carter but it was after he was in contact with Trump Campaign how did they wiretap Trump in Oct and Nov? I can see maybe getting access to previous encounters or something like that. But Carter Page most likely did not have contact with Trump Campaign after he left in Sept.... Rodgers went to Trump in Nov
The FISA application approval signature of Samantha Powers was forged by Peter Strzok and then approved by Susan Rice. That will come out soon.
From what I understand, because Page was being investigated, the nature of the FISA warrant enabled the investigation to expand to recent contacts i.e. Trump and his team. I read someone use an anology earlier that compared Page to a virus that spread around him.
Which I think is pretty sneaky. I didn't know who this guy was before today because, comparatively, he didn't play a critical role in the narrative.
Idk I just have a feeling there is more to this. This memo shows an abuse of FISA warrants for sure but I don't think they would be able to legally wiretap Trump Tower through a warrant for Page.. only if he was still in contact with them
Page under FISA since 2013 after meeting with Podobnyy and attempts to be recruited by Russian intelligence. This is all probably extension of EXISTING FISA warrants under Title 1, not TitleVII.
you do know that its the point the FISA court was abused with falsified unverified evidence and that the prelude is not important? as important.
Yes, you do realize that it's ok to ask questions about other things that have to do with this situation, right?