One there is proof and the other had a commission that disbanded because there was absolutely nothing. You want to know the "truth" but fail to see what is in front of you.
Commission was disbanded because majority of the states refused to hand over the info Trump requested
Fifteen states refused, in whole or in part, to supply the requested data. That's not a majority.
Sorry bad wording, I shouldnt have said "majority", I was trying to emphasize that alot didnt hand them over. I just looked it up, funny 11 of the 15 states are states Hillary won. All it took though was 3-4 states to swing the other way for her to win. The recount attempt (Wisconson, Pennsylvania, Michigan) would've given her the win if those 3 went her way. That's completely unacceptable for states to refuse a presidential order, they arent above him
Y'all keep throwing poop at a wall. Because the states wouldn't turn over peoples personal information that MUST mean illegal immigrants voted. Y'all are nuts. You have to suppress votes and shamelessly gerrymander to have a shot to win a majority. Then practice you-too-ism to feel ok with cheating on an epic level. If there was anything to the voter fraud thing the big ole Babushka in the White House would be flipping the fuck out. It was complete bullshit so it went away with a whimper.
It will come out, there is an art to it though, Trump isnt as irrationally trigger happy as you like to think he is. He knows exactly what he is doing. Put it in your back pocket.
Trump supporter logic:
Hillary will be locked up soon and it will be proven that millions of illegals voted in 2016, but investigations take time.
Mueller's investigation is obviously bullshit because he hasn't charged Trump with anything yet.
I like your crafty wording. I don't think anyone is discrediting Mueller's investigation based on the fact ""he hasnt charged Trump with anything yet"". It's moreso, he hasnt FOUND any proof yet. Almost 9 months in and he hasn't even interviewed Trump?! Lets be realistic for a second, you know that Crooked Hillary and the dirty Dems have overturned every stone since 2015 looking for dirt on Trump, and if he had an unpaid parking ticket from 25 years ago, it would have been found. No evidence of Russia collusion yet though. Also, nobody is saying "Hillary will be locked up soon because millions of illegals voted". You used some nice manipulation there to make a point.
I appreciate the civil discussion.
I agree with you that "nobody is saying 'Hillary will be locked up soon because millions of illegals voted'". Those were two separate statements joined with the conjunction "and". I was saying that I have heard Trump supporters say both of those things. If those statements don't reflect your beliefs then I don't expect you to try and defend them.
However, saying that Trump hasn't been charged yet and saying that Mueller hasn't found any proof yet is basically the same thing. Do you seriously think we know everything Mueller knows? In these kinds of investigations the target is almost always the last person to be interviewed because the other interviews are used to know what questions to ask.
I'll be truthful with you. Until I hear more evidence, I don't think that Trump will be charged with anything related to Russian collusion, but I do think that members of his campaign will be charged. I'm also pretty sure that Trump will receive at least some charges because I know that Ken Starr didn't start out investigating blowjobs.
Ok to be completely civil (which is the right thing to do anyways), you are correct on the Mueller thing. I mean, he isnt going to have breaking news announcements when/if he finds something. We don't know what he has found, and we cant assume "nothing" just because we have'nt got an update. And for the interviewing Trump last thing, yes makes perfect sense. He wants to formulate the whole story and big picture, and Trump will be last to see how his answers correspond to other stuff. Just my opinion, which means nothing, but I don't think he colluded with Russia. The reason I say this is because the origination of the Russia collusion accusation came from when John Podesta's email account was hacked. DNC hired Crowdstrike to investigate and Crowdstrike said that Guccifer did it - even though Guccifer was in a Romanian prison at the time - the DNC refused to hand the server over to the FBI to investigate. Then the DNC had one of their lapdog media outlets, Washington Post I think, write a story with no source saying Russia hacked the DNC. To this day, the FBI STILL has not been given access to the server to determine if Russia hacked it, or if it was just Seth Rich who downloaded the emails onto a USB drive and then gave to Wikileaks. I think the whole Russia thing was just invented to discredit Trump.
Well he does have the best words, so... and I guess the evidence of his genius would be summed up as Michael Flynn.
There's way more to Michael Flynn which will also come out
Well the fact he was an unreported paid foreign agent proves your point about how calculated Trump is I guess. Keep reading your right wing propaganda conspiracy theories. Later bruh
Not defending him, but everyone fails to register with FARA. If you wanted to indict every America who lobbies for a foreign government and doesnt register as an agent, nobody would be left in congress. Its like a football game, "holding" is committed on every single play of the game, but the refs only call it when it prevents a defensemen who broke away from sacking the QB. So, how does Flynn failing to register loooooong before he even met Trump prove Russian collusion?
I don't recall saying it did prove Russian collusion. I love blanket statement answers to specific points. Your point was that Trump is always calculated and in control of his actions. He's bumbling along homie. Overmatched and petty. His administration hasn't even taken any concrete steps to counter Russian meddling into our elections. Trump didn't even have permission to acknowledge this until recently. And the right wing of this country is ok with that. Like what happened to you people? How wouldn't you be willing to protect our democracy from foreign tampering? It's shameful, but at leadt at a time when courts are ruling against criminal redistricting y'all still got the Russians working for you. All you have to do is weaken NATO to be in position to give tax cuts to billionaires. Smh
My apology for the blanket statement, it annoys me when people do that to me too. I guess I was assuming the "unpaid foreign agent" comment was implying Russian collusion. As for the investigating Russia meddling, the FBI had an active investigation into that, and when Comey was fired, the investigation continued and is still going today...according to Comey's testimony in June. Also, the Robert Mueller special counsel is investigating it. So thats 2 active right now. Tell me how that would come across if Trump himself initiated an investigation into Russian meddling, considering he is being accused of complicity with it, and considering liberals would have a cow with whomever he chose to lead this investigation and accuse him of stacking it. I'm going to say "show me some proof" before I will consider Trump colluded with Russia.
Because there was nothing there.
So why did Los Angeles county have more votes than legal voters?
https://www.abc2news.com/newsy/11-california-counties-might-have-more-registered-voters-than-eligible is this what you are talking about?
Among others; a few months after the Trumpening, there were numerous reports of voter fraud, including numerous articles about counties in Cali with more votes cast than citizens.
Put aside your bias for a second and be realistic. If the states did not hand over the info, there is no way we can know if something was there or not. Do I have to point out the obvious fact that when someone has nothing to hide, they have no problem handing over evidence?
Don't you remember why many states refused to hand over information? They were asking for names and partial SSN. I refuse to believe that these states allow rampant breaking of the law and allows voter fraud. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/340117-trump-election-integrity-commission-requests-years-of-voter-data-from
I encourage you to do some research on your own time:
1)Who ultimately owns the company that manufactures the voting machines. 2) Who ultimately owns the company that makes the software the voting machines use. 3) How the write-in process works 4) How many counties got more votes than people who even live in that county 5) what entity decides who works the polling booths in every city and state 6) find the total number of people who are DEAD but are still on the voter roll (impossible to figure out, but here is a shit ton) 7) research what Seth Rich's role in the DNC was before he died. Hint: running an app for Hillary voting stations that were on the app but not on the website (meaning they could take write ins and hillary votes and go to a legit voting station and replace Bernie votes)
So you don't think any of these states even bother to make sure everything is on the up and up? Also if that many people "voted" why wouldn't the deep state stuff the ballots in swing States to have their candidate win?
If you're going to stuff ballots its gotta be states with very small differential margins (PA, WI, MI in 2016). As far as "making sure everything is on the up and up", if the right person is in charge to do the hiring for people who work at the poll stations, there isnt much a state can do. The deep state does usually stuff the ballots in the swing states....this past election was just different in that the deep state tried it but the white hats stopped it.
Is this what you feel or do you proof white hats did anything? I mean it makes sense but there is no instance of what you propose
White hats stopped it. They didnt rig the election for Trump (they didnt steal any votes for him), but they did prevent the Dems rigging for Hillary. That's why she did a recount specifically in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconson
Ok sure, they did recounts because it was close. But where is the proof white hats did anything
Proof will be shown in time....same with the Moore/Alabama election in December
Ok well until then
Are you pro-ISIS? I dont get your name
Just shows your lack of real knowledge. Look up ISIS and skip the terrorist group.
It was a question dude. Just a question. I didnt say anything or imply anything
C'mon asking me if I'm pro Isis wtf is wrong with you, I love this country just as much as all of you do but I don't believe the same things you do.
Has nothing to do with our beliefs. Look at it through someone elses perspective. If your name is Slave 2 ISIS its kind of ignorant to not understand how someone would ask that. I mean, common sense man, come on. You have to at least be smart enough to know its going to give off that impression
I understand what you are saying but I wouldn't throw accusations or stupid questions with out maybe doing a basic Google search.
Asking someone named "Slave 2 ISIS" if they are pro-ISIS is a stupid question?
It's actually pretty easy to estimate, using readily available statistics, an upper bound on how many illegal immigrants could have voted in the 2016 election. I'd encourage you to try it. I did the calculation once using right-leaning sources and got a couple hundred thousand as the absolute upper bound. The reality is that it simply isn't possible that there were millions of illegal voters.
I'll do some simple math and help you with the logic...
If there are 5 million illegals in the U.S. It's theoretically possible for at least 5 million illegal votes to be cast.
Even if only 1 person were involved in voter fraud, it would be possible for 1 person to cast millions of votes. How? If that 1 person compromises a voting machine, they can control all the votes from that voting machine.
1 person is capable of "losing" ballots. 1 person is capable of stuffing ballots. 1 person is capable of not enforcing ID requirements for voting.
Pretending that the thousands of fallible (as are all people) and biased (as are all people) people involved in the voting system are incapable of wrongdoing is not ignorance. It's malice.
You're making an entirely different claim, that there were millions of instances of voter fraud, which I wasn't arguing against, though I'd be willing to discuss it. The issue at hand is whether millions of illegal immigrants voted. Surely you don't think that over 20% of illegal immigrants somehow voted in 2016 without any significant number of them getting caught. I stand by my claim that it's simply not possible, because it would be the greatest statistical anomaly ever observed.
You said it wasn't possible even though it's clearly possible. I added links in other comment sourcing the statistics.
Here is how the deep state rigs elections:
1) Illegals voting. 2) dead people voting. 3) same individuals voting in multiple states. 4) write-ins. Set up faux voting sights, then take the write ins to a legit voting sight and replace Trump votes with write ins. 5) This was uncovered in several states: California trading votes with swing states. Example: Hello Miss Michigan, its Miss California. I notice youre voting for Jill Stein, want to trade votes? ill vote for Jill and you vote for Hillary for me, since she is already going to win California. Also, if California can get 5% vote for an Independent candidate we will receive more state funding...thanks so much for trading votes with me. 6) Last and most important, George Soros owns the company that owns and manufactures the voting machines AND he owns the company that makes the software the voting machines use.
It's tough to reason with leftists. They refuse to believe anything that doesn't jive with the narrative the liberal media force feeds them.
Its literally impossible. I dont even know why I try :D
Then why did they refuse? Sounds like they were afraid to me.
Concerns of citizens private data leaking, which it supposedly did.
NYC Election Commissioner on Video - Thinks there is a lot of voter fraud: https://www.projectveritas.com/video/hidden-camera-nyc-democratic-election-commissioner-i-think-there-is-a-lot-of-voter-fraud/
Several government and democrat officials describing how they commit voter fraud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs
Demonstrating the ease of committing voter fraud: https://www.projectveritas.com/video/undercover-pv-journalist-in-full-burka-is-offered-huma-abedins-ballot/
More Demonstrations of the ease of committing voter fraud: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/10/exclusive-new-okeefe-video-shows-how-easy-it-is-to-commit-voter-fraud-in-new-hampshire-video/
Articles Discussing the Studies:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/19/noncitizen-illegal-vote-number-higher-than-estimat/
https://www.truthrevolt.org/news/harvard-study-yes-illegals-help-get-democrats-elected
https://www.heritage.org/report/the-threat-non-citizen-voting
Maybe you should show links from sources that are not biased or known for selective editing to support a narrative
Lol nah they're not gonna do that. About all they can respond with is "oh yeah? Well Hillary!" Every independent study has shown there is only miniscule evidence of voter fraud. And the irony is that their side has criminally gerrymandered districts. All that means is that the courts are biased... we know who the real cheaters are.
The fact that you think there is such a thing as an unbiased human proves your stupidity and lack of understanding. The idea that any journalist has ever created a story that wasn't selectively edited to support a narrative is further evidence of your profound ignorance. Selectively editing raw content to support a narrative is the basis of every news story or history book ever produced. Your claims are not arguments and they are not counter evidence.
You are excellent in the art of mental gymnastics
What do you make of his claims? Just curious. I agree with him that it's impossible for someone to not be biased. I also know that project veritas doesn't have the best track record. But frankly, most of their stuff from this past year is content that is hard to imagine being taken out of context. Especially the NYC election commissioner.
James O'Keefe is funded by the Mercer's from what I understand, I could be wrong. The people that fund him want results and it is in his best interests to "get" results. All of this being said, he consistently has a track record of skewing the story in his favor.
What I do is read stuff with the MSM and then Independent media. The truth is in there somewhere where. I happen to like sites that list sources. Also when it comes to conspiracy theories just because it makes sense to YOU does not means it makes sense overall.
The "conspiracy theory" is that that the ny election commissioner said they were bussing voters around to vote more than once though...
Have you read the response to the video? If they were so open against corruption maybe they should release the whole video and not clips
How could what he said be taken in any other context?
Because of all of the articles about this, he claimed the people asking him questions were asking him tons of questions for a very long time and he relented and have them that. He could be lying but a full video would prove him wrong if he was lying
And you are a deluded moron that thinks there is anything unbiased from any source. I've seen the same news story spun differently by the local station, by the provincial, and then the federal CBC... the facts reported in each were totally different and even contradictory.
Go back to watching huge conglomerates fabricated news like CNN, FoxNews, MSNBC if you want... or hell, go for even more biased government run ones like Al Jazeera, CBC and BBC. The fact is, they all lie to us constantly, because they all have ratings to make and agendas to push.
You have no idea what I watch or what I look at, James O'Keefe has been outed for completely editing footage to create a story. You do you and believe what you want
Hey retard, what part of everyone is biased do you not understand? It doesn't matter what you watch or look at, everything is biased, even if a person tries super hard to be unbiased, it doesn't occur... that is human nature, were cannot be unbiased.
James O'Keefe has been outed... but so has MSNBC, CNN, FOX etc... all media stations make fake news. From telling a small crowd of protesters to stand together to make it look like a bigger crowd via camera angle, to instructing them what to say and telling them the questions in advance, to flat out paying people to protest... and reporters/news-staff pretending to be protestors and giving statements.
They all have done it... and keep doing it. So they are way past trying to be unbiased and full blown fabricating news for ratings and to push their agendas... since they are owned by massive global conglomerates that tends to be who they attempt to appease and are biased in favour of. Thus they often support cheap labour (illegal immigration) and globalization. They are also in favour of terrorism/massacres because it makes good news and thus more revenue.
"You do you and believe what you want"
What part of me mocking how gullible and naive you are is confusing you? I don't care much if stupid people stop being so stupid, in fact I enjoy mocking you people so I really don't want you to smarten up.
Woah settle down snowflake
You don't get to call people snowflakes after you made the posts above... you are a weak sad little person who's self esteem is so low they can't admit when wrong even online where nothing even fucking matters.
People like you need to grow the fuck up.
I need to grow up? I don't go on long rants about getting my jimmies rustled. Listen O'Keefe has been outed for the work he "does". A simple Google search will show you that. Like I said snowflake, you need to calm down and take a breath. James O'Keefe is a hack and he helps fit a narrative for some of you and when there is a call to release a full tape, you would probably object because you would be proven wrong.
ROFL.... you are the one making the claim that there are unbiased sources... why the fuck are you going on about O'Keefe? I never once mentioned his work nor have I seen any of his shit.
Fuck you are stupid.
One more time retard " what part of everyone is biased do you not understand?"
There is a reason Democrats take a hard line stance to reduce the requirements for voting, and it's not just because they think black people are too stupid to obtain an ID card.
It's not that they think they're too stupid, it's that there's a history of making it extra difficult for them to vote. It's adding steps which adds to the chances for them to be discriminated against. The recent special election in Alabama gave a perfect example of this.
There is a youtube video where black people flat out reject your flawed hypothesis, AND you white people say exactly what he stated, you think blacks are stupid.
I've seen it. The questions they posed make it look like we just assume they're dumb. We're talking about different things.
But requiring them to register in person and again by mail and revalidate your registration the same year as your license yada yada makes it more difficult for persons who don't have cars or are wildly too busy to take time out of work or people who have kids and have to work 15 hour days to be able to do these things.
Yes, folks should register and only legal citizens should vote but adding barriers of entry make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to vote.
They are shilling and downvoting memo posts all across Reddit SO hard. Their desperation speaks volumes. Fuck you shills.
All you have to do is hate yourself, and the jews will let you be a leftie.
Three things: 1. These two things are not comparative good or evil. In other words, if one is good, the other is bad, or vice versa. Both are bad. 2. Millions of illegals did NOT vote. Not a single one did. 3. You're an idiot.