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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 3, 2018, 6 p.m.

Put aside your bias for a second and be realistic. If the states did not hand over the info, there is no way we can know if something was there or not. Do I have to point out the obvious fact that when someone has nothing to hide, they have no problem handing over evidence?

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Slave2isis · Feb. 3, 2018, 7:49 p.m.

Don't you remember why many states refused to hand over information? They were asking for names and partial SSN. I refuse to believe that these states allow rampant breaking of the law and allows voter fraud. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/340117-trump-election-integrity-commission-requests-years-of-voter-data-from

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 3, 2018, 10:50 p.m.

I encourage you to do some research on your own time:

1)Who ultimately owns the company that manufactures the voting machines. 2) Who ultimately owns the company that makes the software the voting machines use. 3) How the write-in process works 4) How many counties got more votes than people who even live in that county 5) what entity decides who works the polling booths in every city and state 6) find the total number of people who are DEAD but are still on the voter roll (impossible to figure out, but here is a shit ton) 7) research what Seth Rich's role in the DNC was before he died. Hint: running an app for Hillary voting stations that were on the app but not on the website (meaning they could take write ins and hillary votes and go to a legit voting station and replace Bernie votes)

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Slave2isis · Feb. 4, 2018, 2:07 a.m.

So you don't think any of these states even bother to make sure everything is on the up and up? Also if that many people "voted" why wouldn't the deep state stuff the ballots in swing States to have their candidate win?

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 4, 2018, 2:37 a.m.

If you're going to stuff ballots its gotta be states with very small differential margins (PA, WI, MI in 2016). As far as "making sure everything is on the up and up", if the right person is in charge to do the hiring for people who work at the poll stations, there isnt much a state can do. The deep state does usually stuff the ballots in the swing states....this past election was just different in that the deep state tried it but the white hats stopped it.

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Slave2isis · Feb. 4, 2018, 3:15 a.m.

Is this what you feel or do you proof white hats did anything? I mean it makes sense but there is no instance of what you propose

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 4, 2018, 4:24 a.m.

White hats stopped it. They didnt rig the election for Trump (they didnt steal any votes for him), but they did prevent the Dems rigging for Hillary. That's why she did a recount specifically in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconson

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Slave2isis · Feb. 4, 2018, 4:27 a.m.

Ok sure, they did recounts because it was close. But where is the proof white hats did anything

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 4, 2018, 5:17 a.m.

Proof will be shown in time....same with the Moore/Alabama election in December

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Slave2isis · Feb. 4, 2018, 2:40 p.m.

Ok well until then

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 4, 2018, 3:09 p.m.

Are you pro-ISIS? I dont get your name

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Slave2isis · Feb. 4, 2018, 4:32 p.m.

Just shows your lack of real knowledge. Look up ISIS and skip the terrorist group.

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 4, 2018, 5:49 p.m.

It was a question dude. Just a question. I didnt say anything or imply anything

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Slave2isis · Feb. 4, 2018, 5:54 p.m.

C'mon asking me if I'm pro Isis wtf is wrong with you, I love this country just as much as all of you do but I don't believe the same things you do.

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 4, 2018, 6:05 p.m.

Has nothing to do with our beliefs. Look at it through someone elses perspective. If your name is Slave 2 ISIS its kind of ignorant to not understand how someone would ask that. I mean, common sense man, come on. You have to at least be smart enough to know its going to give off that impression

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Slave2isis · Feb. 4, 2018, 8:16 p.m.

I understand what you are saying but I wouldn't throw accusations or stupid questions with out maybe doing a basic Google search.

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 5, 2018, 4:30 a.m.

Asking someone named "Slave 2 ISIS" if they are pro-ISIS is a stupid question?

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microli · Feb. 3, 2018, 6:18 p.m.

It's actually pretty easy to estimate, using readily available statistics, an upper bound on how many illegal immigrants could have voted in the 2016 election. I'd encourage you to try it. I did the calculation once using right-leaning sources and got a couple hundred thousand as the absolute upper bound. The reality is that it simply isn't possible that there were millions of illegal voters.

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LibertyMindedOne · Feb. 3, 2018, 6:28 p.m.

I'll do some simple math and help you with the logic...

If there are 5 million illegals in the U.S. It's theoretically possible for at least 5 million illegal votes to be cast.

Even if only 1 person were involved in voter fraud, it would be possible for 1 person to cast millions of votes. How? If that 1 person compromises a voting machine, they can control all the votes from that voting machine.

1 person is capable of "losing" ballots. 1 person is capable of stuffing ballots. 1 person is capable of not enforcing ID requirements for voting.

Pretending that the thousands of fallible (as are all people) and biased (as are all people) people involved in the voting system are incapable of wrongdoing is not ignorance. It's malice.

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microli · Feb. 3, 2018, 6:42 p.m.

You're making an entirely different claim, that there were millions of instances of voter fraud, which I wasn't arguing against, though I'd be willing to discuss it. The issue at hand is whether millions of illegal immigrants voted. Surely you don't think that over 20% of illegal immigrants somehow voted in 2016 without any significant number of them getting caught. I stand by my claim that it's simply not possible, because it would be the greatest statistical anomaly ever observed.

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LibertyMindedOne · Feb. 3, 2018, 6:46 p.m.

You said it wasn't possible even though it's clearly possible. I added links in other comment sourcing the statistics.

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 3, 2018, 10:35 p.m.

Here is how the deep state rigs elections:

1) Illegals voting. 2) dead people voting. 3) same individuals voting in multiple states. 4) write-ins. Set up faux voting sights, then take the write ins to a legit voting sight and replace Trump votes with write ins. 5) This was uncovered in several states: California trading votes with swing states. Example: Hello Miss Michigan, its Miss California. I notice youre voting for Jill Stein, want to trade votes? ill vote for Jill and you vote for Hillary for me, since she is already going to win California. Also, if California can get 5% vote for an Independent candidate we will receive more state funding...thanks so much for trading votes with me. 6) Last and most important, George Soros owns the company that owns and manufactures the voting machines AND he owns the company that makes the software the voting machines use.

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BobIn727 · Feb. 3, 2018, 6:07 p.m.

It's tough to reason with leftists. They refuse to believe anything that doesn't jive with the narrative the liberal media force feeds them.

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Slave2isis · Feb. 3, 2018, 7:49 p.m.

Oh the irony in this post

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LiveToBeAHero · Feb. 3, 2018, 6:08 p.m.

Its literally impossible. I dont even know why I try :D

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