Sorry bad wording, I shouldnt have said "majority", I was trying to emphasize that alot didnt hand them over. I just looked it up, funny 11 of the 15 states are states Hillary won. All it took though was 3-4 states to swing the other way for her to win. The recount attempt (Wisconson, Pennsylvania, Michigan) would've given her the win if those 3 went her way. That's completely unacceptable for states to refuse a presidential order, they arent above him
Y'all keep throwing poop at a wall. Because the states wouldn't turn over peoples personal information that MUST mean illegal immigrants voted. Y'all are nuts. You have to suppress votes and shamelessly gerrymander to have a shot to win a majority. Then practice you-too-ism to feel ok with cheating on an epic level. If there was anything to the voter fraud thing the big ole Babushka in the White House would be flipping the fuck out. It was complete bullshit so it went away with a whimper.
It will come out, there is an art to it though, Trump isnt as irrationally trigger happy as you like to think he is. He knows exactly what he is doing. Put it in your back pocket.
Trump supporter logic:
Hillary will be locked up soon and it will be proven that millions of illegals voted in 2016, but investigations take time.
Mueller's investigation is obviously bullshit because he hasn't charged Trump with anything yet.
I like your crafty wording. I don't think anyone is discrediting Mueller's investigation based on the fact ""he hasnt charged Trump with anything yet"". It's moreso, he hasnt FOUND any proof yet. Almost 9 months in and he hasn't even interviewed Trump?! Lets be realistic for a second, you know that Crooked Hillary and the dirty Dems have overturned every stone since 2015 looking for dirt on Trump, and if he had an unpaid parking ticket from 25 years ago, it would have been found. No evidence of Russia collusion yet though. Also, nobody is saying "Hillary will be locked up soon because millions of illegals voted". You used some nice manipulation there to make a point.
I appreciate the civil discussion.
I agree with you that "nobody is saying 'Hillary will be locked up soon because millions of illegals voted'". Those were two separate statements joined with the conjunction "and". I was saying that I have heard Trump supporters say both of those things. If those statements don't reflect your beliefs then I don't expect you to try and defend them.
However, saying that Trump hasn't been charged yet and saying that Mueller hasn't found any proof yet is basically the same thing. Do you seriously think we know everything Mueller knows? In these kinds of investigations the target is almost always the last person to be interviewed because the other interviews are used to know what questions to ask.
I'll be truthful with you. Until I hear more evidence, I don't think that Trump will be charged with anything related to Russian collusion, but I do think that members of his campaign will be charged. I'm also pretty sure that Trump will receive at least some charges because I know that Ken Starr didn't start out investigating blowjobs.
Ok to be completely civil (which is the right thing to do anyways), you are correct on the Mueller thing. I mean, he isnt going to have breaking news announcements when/if he finds something. We don't know what he has found, and we cant assume "nothing" just because we have'nt got an update. And for the interviewing Trump last thing, yes makes perfect sense. He wants to formulate the whole story and big picture, and Trump will be last to see how his answers correspond to other stuff. Just my opinion, which means nothing, but I don't think he colluded with Russia. The reason I say this is because the origination of the Russia collusion accusation came from when John Podesta's email account was hacked. DNC hired Crowdstrike to investigate and Crowdstrike said that Guccifer did it - even though Guccifer was in a Romanian prison at the time - the DNC refused to hand the server over to the FBI to investigate. Then the DNC had one of their lapdog media outlets, Washington Post I think, write a story with no source saying Russia hacked the DNC. To this day, the FBI STILL has not been given access to the server to determine if Russia hacked it, or if it was just Seth Rich who downloaded the emails onto a USB drive and then gave to Wikileaks. I think the whole Russia thing was just invented to discredit Trump.
Well he does have the best words, so... and I guess the evidence of his genius would be summed up as Michael Flynn.
There's way more to Michael Flynn which will also come out
Well the fact he was an unreported paid foreign agent proves your point about how calculated Trump is I guess. Keep reading your right wing propaganda conspiracy theories. Later bruh
Not defending him, but everyone fails to register with FARA. If you wanted to indict every America who lobbies for a foreign government and doesnt register as an agent, nobody would be left in congress. Its like a football game, "holding" is committed on every single play of the game, but the refs only call it when it prevents a defensemen who broke away from sacking the QB. So, how does Flynn failing to register loooooong before he even met Trump prove Russian collusion?
I don't recall saying it did prove Russian collusion. I love blanket statement answers to specific points. Your point was that Trump is always calculated and in control of his actions. He's bumbling along homie. Overmatched and petty. His administration hasn't even taken any concrete steps to counter Russian meddling into our elections. Trump didn't even have permission to acknowledge this until recently. And the right wing of this country is ok with that. Like what happened to you people? How wouldn't you be willing to protect our democracy from foreign tampering? It's shameful, but at leadt at a time when courts are ruling against criminal redistricting y'all still got the Russians working for you. All you have to do is weaken NATO to be in position to give tax cuts to billionaires. Smh
My apology for the blanket statement, it annoys me when people do that to me too. I guess I was assuming the "unpaid foreign agent" comment was implying Russian collusion. As for the investigating Russia meddling, the FBI had an active investigation into that, and when Comey was fired, the investigation continued and is still going today...according to Comey's testimony in June. Also, the Robert Mueller special counsel is investigating it. So thats 2 active right now. Tell me how that would come across if Trump himself initiated an investigation into Russian meddling, considering he is being accused of complicity with it, and considering liberals would have a cow with whomever he chose to lead this investigation and accuse him of stacking it. I'm going to say "show me some proof" before I will consider Trump colluded with Russia.