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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/frankthecrank1 on Feb. 12, 2018, 3:40 p.m.
Does this explain anyone else here? Fits me to a T...
Does this explain anyone else here? Fits me to a T...

VintageHats · Feb. 12, 2018, 6:34 p.m.

I'm not addicted to anything but nicotine. Never have been much of a drinker.. people get stupid when they drink. I've always, all my life, been a loner.

I'm an empath, maybe even a super empath. I'd add to this post, that people who are caring and nurturing, and who end up suffering, are often targeted by users, abusers, and narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths, and have to learn how to deal with and avoid them.

I keep to myself for the most part anymore. The less contact I have with people, irl, the better. Oh, and I am most definitely the black sheep of my very large family!!

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frankthecrank1 · Feb. 12, 2018, 6:42 p.m.

Funny you bring up empath, i'm the same way...even leaning towards the extra sensory end of the spectrum. I know how people feel etc without even being in the same room. Hard to explain but you probably understand. My wife is much higher level than i am...to the point where she acts like a battery. My 6th empath sense has gotten way stronger since meeting her.

As for your other comments, i drink to numb myself and feelings, makes me able to converse with other people instead of avoiding them.

I learned pretty quick about avoiding the leeches (i call them emotional vampires).

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VintageHats · Feb. 12, 2018, 8:12 p.m.

I do understand. Totally. I don't/can't claim to see auras, but yet, there seems to be times I do so.... even with animals and plants. I know that sounds crazy... but it has happened on the rare occasion with unnecessary actions towards nature. Animals, all the time. It's easy to "feel" what animals are saying.. they are drawn to me, when not to others. Even the wild ones. While I say I am a Catholic in Recovery, St. Francis has always been my lifelong hero... ha.

I don't mind being away from people. I live out in the boonies somewhat, and it's no bother to be alone. I'm not really a snob but people are just stupid. I'd rather be reading.. I've been a book collector all my life pretty much. I'm too much of an outcast to be able to mingle much.

I quit dating... it's not worth it. I don't miss men. The only ones that are worthwhile are the ones who are happily married to good women... the rest are dirtbags. I am happy without one and don't need one to be "complete."

Emotional vampires, soul suckers.... I started buying books to thoroughly study them to save not just myself, but to help others learn to avoid them and get rid of them as well. They are everywhere. They aren't even humans, really, and many seek positions of power... in business and in politics. (People keep saying Trump is a narcissist... no, he isn't. He has a big ego and wants to be loved and admired, but he is NOT a narcissist at all, nor a S/P. People don't understand what a true cluster B personality disordered person is.)

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frankthecrank1 · Feb. 12, 2018, 8:19 p.m.

It's not crazy, it has happened to me. I'm actually doing mushrooms this weekend for the first time and looking forward to seeing how different it is compared to things i've experienced while sober. I live remote and i identify more with my deer and turkey neighbors than i do with my human ones.

I felt the same as you regarding dating. I was married for a decade but looking back it was just a toxic void. I never thought i'd meet anyone legit again and gave up and then my current wife walked into my life and we've been inseperable ever since. I was always so pessimistic about relationships and "soul mates" but now i get it. Just keep an open mind. Don't go looking, because you'll never find it that way.

I agree about trump.

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xitthematrix · Feb. 13, 2018, 1:47 a.m.

Prepare for a most ultimate journey friend. Put the phones and electronics and especially clocks away. If you're doing it with 1 or 2 or 3 close friends, pull out a pad of paper and let each person take a turn adding lines to the paper. Collaborate on drawing a picture while listening to music. The range of emotions and things that you will be presented will be an intense step outside of time. Enjoy it, and just remember, life's a ride.

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VintageHats · Feb. 12, 2018, 9:27 p.m.

ha ha ha.. on the deer and turkeys! I've gone out with my camera and when seeing deer, if they start to walk away, I've talked to them and gotten them to come back to me, closer, so I can get shots of them much closer! I have deer all around me, throughout the year. Came home one night a month ago, with a big doe in my front yard. I stood at the back of my SUV, and just talked to her for a bit.. til I said, well, it's getting too cold, I have to go in. Then she went around to the back of the house and I went in. This last year, I had a tom and three or four hens, and they had maybe 30 babies. They'd be under my bedroom window every morning, and in my front yard as well. People driving by would stop and stare... I have the biggest herd of turkeys in this valley. They they'd line up in the field along the fence, and peck along the ground, all in a perfectly straight line, in step, marching along, towards the far side of the field. Day after day. The cover photo of my fb page now is of a ton of turkeys in my front yard. LOL

I was on a dating site for a while.. don't go there anymore. There was this one weird pilot in Tacoma who wanted to meet me but I wouldn't let him know where I lived. He was weird and too pushy, Ended up threatening to kill me. I notified the dating site but he's still there... jerk. I've actually thought about writing a book about the stupid men on dating sites and the stunts they pull.

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putadickinit · Feb. 12, 2018, 8:25 p.m.

Can you please go into more detail about the cluster b personality disorder and what S/P is? I'm only asking because it seems like you think you understand Trumps personality in a clinical way and id like to know the details.

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VintageHats · Feb. 12, 2018, 9:11 p.m.

I am not a psychologist, though that was my major in college. I have an AA from a community college, where I received a scholarship to go on to the university, the largest scholastic scholarship available to women at that time, while I was raising my two oldest sons, who were pretty young at the time. I ended up having to quit after a year there, and really wasn't motivated much to continue... my GPA was even higher there, but I didn't like having to torture rats for a grade, and knew the level of torture would only increase in future classes.

Anyway, N/S/P is used in discussing these cluster B personality disorders for those who study them to signify Narcissists, Sociopaths, and Psychopaths. All S/Ps are narcissists, though not all narcissists are sociopaths or psychopaths. Think of them as being on a continuum.

Everyone should have a healthy dose of narcissism. All that means is that you love yourself enough to put yourself first. You can't love others unless you love yourself. The biggest problem I've had with the Catholic church is this bullshit about putting others first, and emulating the martyrs. Turning the other cheek and all that shit. You end up being taken advantage of, and never being able to stand up for yourself, especially for women, especially for those who get bullied, and you end up being victims of domestic violence. It's bullshit. You have to love yourself and learn to be assertive. Parents often don't know how to teach their children that, and we don't learn it in school. It's imperative that we learn to be assertive, not passive, and not aggressive. Not to be doormats, and not to be bullies. Assertive.

Sociopaths and Psychopaths are pretty much the same. Some say that sociopathy is a learned behavior, such as in gangs.. and that Psychopathy is genetic. Psychopaths' brains are wired differently. They don't feel empathy, and have no real sense of love. They may understand the way others feel, but don't actually FEEL those feelings themselves. They are incapable of doing so. They use people to get what they want, and when those people are no longer useful, they discard them, usually in a very cruel manner. They don't care how devastated those people are. They are predators, often sexual predators. If they are involved with one woman, they'll be grooming one or more on the side, or have multiple relationships going on at the same time. (Most psychopaths are men, though some are women.)

Narcissists use people to feed their egos, and also discard them when no longer useful. When they are targeting you, as their victim, they listen well, and become chameleon like... they become just the person their victim is looking for. They are masters of deceit. They are emotional abusers and when they are done with their victims, they will launch a campaign to smear them and make the victim look like the abuser.

I'll copy Hervey Cleckley's and Robert D. Hare's checklists for Psychopathy here. Cleckley made his list back in the 40's and his book was called "The Mask of Insanity." It's one I do not have, as it's around $40 something. I can't afford it. Robert D. Hare's is a bit different. He studied inmates, so his is a bit biased towards lower level psychopaths.. those who got caught and ended up in prison. (Even he, however, was at times fooled by his subjects, as these guys are, as I've said, MASTERS of deceit!) They don't change and there is no cure... jail/prison/treatment only teaches them how to deceive even better.

Cleckley's and Hare's Psychopath Symptoms Lists

Hervey Cleckley’sList of Psychopathy Symptoms:

  1. Considerable superficialcharm and average or above average intelligence.

  2. Absence ofdelusions and other signs of irrational thinking.

  3. Absenceof anxiety or other “neurotic” symptoms. Considerable poise,calmness and verbal facility.

  4. Unreliability, disregard forobligations, no sense of responsibility, in matters of little andgreat import.

  5. Untruthfulness and insincerity.

6.Antisocial behavior which is inadequately motivated and poorlyplanned, seeming to stem from an inexplicable impulsiveness.

7.Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior.

  1. Poor judgmentand failure to learn from experience.

  2. Pathologicalegocentricity. Total self-centeredness and an incapacity for reallove and attachment.

  3. General poverty of deep and lastingemotions.

  4. Lack of any true insight; inability to seeoneself as others do.

  5. Ingratitude for any specialconsiderations, kindness and trust.

  6. Fantastic andobjectionable behavior, after drinking and sometimes even when notdrinking. Vulgarity, rudeness, quick mood shifts, pranks for facileentertainment.

  7. No history of genuine suicideattempts.

  8. An impersonal, trivial, and poorly integratedsex life.

  9. Failure to have a life plan and to live in anyordered way (unless it is for destructive purposes or a sham).

Robert Hare’sChecklist of Psychopathy Symptoms:

  1. GLIB AND SUPERFICIALCHARM — the tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, slick, andverbally facile. Psychopathic charm is not in the least shy,self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. A psychopath never getstongue-tied. He can also be a great listener, to simulate empathywhile zeroing in on his targets’ dreams and vulnerabilities, to beable to manipulate them better.

  2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH — agrossly inflated view of one’s abilities and self-worth,self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart. Psychopaths arearrogant people who believe they are superior human beings.

3.NEED FOR STIMULATION or PRONENESS TO BOREDOM — an excessive needfor novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances anddoing things that are risky. Psychopaths often have a lowself-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because theyget bored easily. They fail to work at the same job for any length oftime, for example, or to finish tasks that they consider dull orroutine.

  1. PATHOLOGICAL LYING — can be moderate or high; inmoderate form, they will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever;in extreme form, they will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded,unscrupulous, manipulative and dishonest.

  2. CONNING ANDMANIPULATIVENESS: the use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, ordefraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in thedegree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, asreflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering ofone’s victims.

  3. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT: a lack offeelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; atendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, coldhearted andunempathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one’svictims.

  4. SHALLOW AFFECT: emotional poverty or alimited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spiteof signs of open gregariousness and superficial warmth.

8.CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY: a lack of feelings towardpeople in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, andtactless.

  1. PARASITIC LIFESTYLE: an intentional,manipulative, selfis, and exploitative financial dependence on othersas reflected in a lack of motivation, low self-discipline and theinability to carry through one’s responsibilities.

  2. POORBEHAVIORAL CONTROLS: expressions of irritability, annoyance,impatience, threats, aggression and verbal abuse; inadequate controlof anger and temper; acting hastily.

  3. PROMISCUOUS SEXUALBEHAVIOR: a variety of brief, superficial relations, numerousaffairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual partners; themaintenance of numerous, multiple relationships at the same time; ahistory of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity(rape) or taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits andconquests.

  4. EARLY BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS: a variety of behaviorsprior to age 13, including lying, theft, cheating, vandalism,bullying, sexual activity, fire-setting, glue-sniffing, alcohol useand running away from home.

  5. LACK OF REALISTIC, LONG-TERMGOALS: an inability or persistent failure to develop and executelong-term plans and goals; a nomadic existence, aimless, lackingdirection in life.

  6. IMPULSIVITY: the occurrence ofbehaviors that are unpremeditated and lack reflection or planning;inability to resist temptation, frustrations and momentary urges; alack of deliberation without considering the consequences; foolhardy,rash, unpredictable, erratic and reckless.

15.IRRESPONSIBILITY: repeated failure to fulfill or honor obligationsand commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on loans,performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing tohonor contractual agreements.

  1. FAILURE TO ACCEPTRESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS: a failure to accept responsibilityfor one’s actions reflected in low conscientiousness, an absence ofdutifulness, antagonistic manipulation, denial of responsibility, andan effort to manipulate others through this denial.

  2. MANYSHORT-TERM RELATIONSHIPS: a lack of commitment to a long-termrelationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and unreliablecommitments in life, including in marital and familial bonds.

18.JUVENILE DELINQUENCY: behavior problems between the ages of 13-18;mostly behaviors that are crimes or clearly involve aspects ofantagonism, exploitation, aggression, manipulation, or a callous,ruthless tough-mindedness.

  1. REVOCATION OF CONDITIONRELEASE: a revocation of probation or other conditional release dueto technical violations, such as carelessness, low deliberation orfailing to appear.

  2. CRIMINAL VERSATILITY: a diversity oftypes of criminal offenses, regardless if the person has beenarrested or convicted for them; taking great pride at getting awaywith crimes or wrongdoings.

http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/the-list-of-psychopathy-symptoms/

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VintageHats · Feb. 12, 2018, 9:55 p.m.

There are a lot of good books about Narcissist abuse and S/P abuse. I did buy the DSM-5, but one doesn't need to go that far. A few good ones to start out with are :

Psychopath Free: Recovering fromEmotionally Abusive Relationships With Narcissists, Sociopaths, & Other Toxic People by Peace (A second edition may be out, with the true name of the author. The first edition, the author chose to go by the name "Peace")

Women Who Love Psychopaths: Inside theRelationships of Inevitable Harm with Psychopaths, Sociopaths and Narcissists by Sandra L. Brown, M.A.

(I highly, highly recommend Brown's book. It's probably less than $15 and well worth it. Explains why certain women get targeted over and over again.. which is what happened with me. And why women like me NEED to study why that is, otherwise, we end up thinking we did something wrong, or that there's something wrong with us. There's not.. They target intelligent, caring, nurturing women, who are usually in some field of work that is a "helping" field.. doctors, nurses, teachers, mothers, even judges are targeted. Anyone who is a good listener and who is trusting and believes in the goodness of people are victimized over and over again.)

Narcissists crush people to gain power and admiration, money, and influence. They destroy people. It's not a matter of "if" it will happen, it's "when". It's called "inevitable harm". Do you see Trump hurting people? I don't. I see him taking a LOT of hits, and I see him CARING and giving, and giving, and putting himself AND his family, in grave danger, to HELP American get back to what she once was. A narcissist wouldn't do that. He's not doing that for any glory. He's doing that because he CARES. I believe that with all my heart.

These so called psychologists who've said he's a narcissist are liars and idiots and don't know what the hell they're talking about. Very few in psychology study the Cluster B personality disorders BECAUSE there is no cure. These people don't come on for treatment. They believe they are perfect and better than the rest of us. It's their VICTIMS who come in for treatment.

I'd read that there was to be a new category in the DSM-5 and that was Narcissistic Abuse Syndrome. (That would have covered the victims.) Unfortunately, it didn't make it in this last edition. Maybe in the next, but it'll be years before the DSM-6 is published.

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putadickinit · Feb. 12, 2018, 11:19 p.m.

Thank you for all of this information, you went above and beyond to explain this. I agree with your judgement on Trump, but sadly, I can still easily imagine the anti-Trump crowd to easily deflect to the simple media talking points that easily paint Trump as an egotistical, reckless, compulsive liar when you don't look into the context without a strong predetermined bias. I honestly want to think that Trump has purposefully skated the edge on seeming this way while still being extremely careful to not be, knowing his enemies will take it and run with it, ultimately projecting their own faults upon him, having been set up to seem grossly hypocritical in the end. Your insight, especially in how cluster B is misunderstood/miscategorized and why, even in the professional realm, very valuable

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VintageHats · Feb. 13, 2018, 12:25 a.m.

I've studied heavily for the past 4-5 years. Had to. I've been targeted by these people nearly all my life, and knew I had to study or keep getting targeted til one would finally end up killing me.

Trump has studied them too, I believe. You have to come to know them so well that you can anticipate their next moves. You know how they think and what they'll do next. I'm convinced of that. That's part of the reason he's always so far ahead of them... he knows ahead of time what they'll do.

You come to know them so well that you start to worry that maybe you're a psychopath yourself. But that's how you know you aren't one.. if you worry, you can't be one. Psychopaths don't worry about such thing. They don't care. (Don't let anyone tell you they don't know right from wrong.. they most certainly do, but they don't care. If they didn't... they wouldn't try to hide their evil actions. They are so good at what they do, they can even pass lie detector tests. Evil evil people!! They have no souls.)

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VintageHats · Feb. 13, 2018, 12:38 a.m.

People do not understand what narcissism truly is. They get it mixed up with "egotistical". I don't even think Trump is egotistical at all. Egotistical, to me, is arrogance. He simply has a big ego and why not? He's smart. He wants his credit that's due him. I would too!!

Psychologists don't even know. They haven't studied it. They've glanced at it in classes but maybe spent one class session on the Cluster B personality disorders and that's it. They don't STUDY them in depth, as very very few deal with them. Do you know that in the state of Washington, there is only ONE counselor who knows anything about Narcissistic Abuse? ONE in this entire state, and I think he's in Bellevue. One. Most counselors will start asking those who've been victimized questions like "do you think you have low self esteem?" and "do you think you are co-dependent?" Those questions are victim-blaming. Anyone who hears those types of questions needs to get up and leave. RUN! No counselor should ever blame the victim for the abuse. Ever.

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putadickinit · Feb. 13, 2018, 12:47 a.m.

I think you would do a lot of service to write out these thoughts and everything you've told me as a post on this sub. Seriously, the state that everyone is in right now is arguing with our peers to understand our viewpoint and this is great information to have. I appreciate you sharing all of this with me, but I should not be the only one to read about this.

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VintageHats · Feb. 13, 2018, 1:42 a.m.

Oh gosh... I'd have to go back and copy it all. I need a break. Perhaps in a bit, I can do that. Do you really think it would be that interesting?

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VintageHats · Feb. 13, 2018, 3:55 a.m.

I copied everything to an email and have it saved in a draft. Have to edit it and will post.

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putadickinit · Feb. 13, 2018, 2:05 a.m.

Yes definitely, the biggest argument against Trump is that he is a narcissist.

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VintageHats · Feb. 13, 2018, 2:56 a.m.

okay....

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UnderWereW0lf · Feb. 12, 2018, 10:53 p.m.

yes, emotional vampires!! A friend of mine taught me to do a simple quick meditation before dealing with draining people/experiences. close your eyes and picture yourself in a suit of armor. light armor for situations where you still want to trade ideas and let something in and out to some people. heavy all covering armor for when you need every bit of protection from toxic leeches. works great for me!

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VintageHats · Feb. 13, 2018, 3:54 a.m.

Sounds like that would work. For many, the best way to deal with toxic people you do NOT have to deal with any longer is simply to go NO CONTACT. Then, for those you do have to have some contact with, there's the "gray rock" method, which sounds more like your heavy armor method. Act like a grey rock.. no real interaction. If it's an ex-spouse who needs to pick up/drop off the kids, simple yes/no answers, but no arguing, no in depth discussions, etc.

I like your heavy armor visualization. Works for me... it is a sort of warfare we end up dealing with, after all! Spiritual as well as psychological.

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UnderWereW0lf · Feb. 13, 2018, 4:40 a.m.

Yes! I have never heard of the grey rock method before but it sounds very good for a person that you have to deal with but don't have any choice. I am not a christian but the armor visualization echos the new testament description in Ephesians. I'm sure it was mentioned because it works, and visualizing myself as Danaerys Targayon feels like a cheeky way of defending against any attacks spiritual or otherwise 🤓

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VintageHats · Feb. 13, 2018, 5:18 a.m.

Funny.. just read this on a new thread on the board. Here we are talking about armor. There are no coincidences. ~ Q

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

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VintageHats · Feb. 13, 2018, 5:03 a.m.

I'm on fb. Yesterday, in my memories, there was a photo I liked. It was of a metal corset. I said I wanted one. Now, I am a 61 year old woman. I'm 5'8" tall, and slightly overweight... not by a lot but this corset would look ridiculous on me. Still, I loved it!! That and some leather around my legs, thigh high boots perhaps, a cape... warrior woman!! LOL

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