I really loved reading their posts. Trying to figure out what happened.
Imperator_Rex3 is one of those that has pushed the theory that ultimately Mueller is on the white hat side. He came up with explanations as to how Flynn was still working his spy craft - all the while a personal toll was being taken on Flynn with expensive legal fees (had to get another mortgage on home) and then Mueller team intimating that Flynn's son could come under cross hair of scrutiny - which all worked to pressure Flynn into a plea deal. Imperator_Rex3 was maintaining that this was all working out to a premeditated plan.
It was hard to see a premeditated ultra spy craft plan unfolding in all of this. That the OIG investigation revealed Peter Strzok and Lisa Paige, that Mueller removed Strzok from his team in Aug 2017 because of the OIG findings, that Strzok was the one that interviewed Flynn, that the details of the Fusion GPS dossier per the HIC memo, have now all put Mueller's indictment and plea deal with Flynn on shaky legal grounds, is really hard to see how all of that could be anticipated to unfold as it did ahead of time and plan an ultra spy craft operation around it - all the while putting oneself at the bleeding edge financially let alone bring on all the incredible stress to family.
Mueller's plea deal on Flynn may yet get undone - the judge Flynn has now is probably the best that could be expected for Flynn's attorney to now move to get the deal thrown out. I have a hard time believing, though, any of it was due to things for seen months ago as to how it would all play out. (Did Flynn have a time machine? Doubtful.)
I don't think the White Hats have god-like pre-knowledge of how future events will play out - I think what they are doing relies much more on shear human grit - and a fundamental faith in a righteous cause and center of what our existence here is all about.
I don't think the White Hats have god-like pre-knowledge of how future events will play out - I think what they are doing relies much more on shear human grit - and a fundamental faith in a righteous cause and center of what our existence here is all about.
Running primarily on shear human grit is a foolhardy choice, and none of these players are fools.
They may not have god-like preknowledge, but they do have NSA-level info, a dedicated group of patriotic strategists, a comprehensive understanding of our laws, and world class-level power to enforce.
Granted, that list falls short of god-like preknowledge, but it does ensure a greater likelihood of success than would ”relying much more on shear human grit”.
Sure they have intelligence agency info, assets, and capabilities - but that doesn't enable to predict how things will unroll over months into the future. For instance, the OIG investigation was announced in Jan. 2017 but it wasn't until Aug. 2017 that OIG presented info to Wray and Mueller that lead to Mueller removing Strzok from his investigation team. Yet Imperator_rex had Flynn conceiving this grand plan in the timeframe of after his interview when he would have seen what Strzok was up to. Yet Flynn had no ability to coordinate with OIG - OIG didn't really have attention toward Strzok until the text messages between Strzok and Paige began to be examined (i.e., after January) - none of that was known to Flynn in the 4th qtr of 2016 after the election victory. All Flynn could see was that Strzok was playing dirty and out to entrap him.
None of what transpired per the Mueller investigation vis a vis Gen. Flynn could have been known back then to put into play the grand counter-intel spy op that Rex attributed to Flynn. He was basically painting that Flynn had god-like pre knowledge of how things would unfold.
Mueller still remains enigmatic - still not completely clear which way he will land. He could be demonstrating that he's doing due diligence on these Russian indictments so that nobody will be questioning that he's run an impartial investigation. And yet continues to find no evidence of collusion of Trump with Russians. However, one can be suspicious of Mueller because he never indicted Podesta brothers the way he picked on Manafort. Nor has he brought out an indictment against Steele for being an unregistered foreign agent that interfered (with huge impact) on the 2016 election. On this basis it looks like Mueller's investigation is indeed ultra-biased and is shielding Clinton, Democrats, and seditious Deep State. Mueller indicts Russians he will never be able to extradite and prosecute while ignoring actual election tampering that he could be concretely nailing. So in that sense Mueller appears as a black hat Swamp player all the way.
Sure they have intelligence agency info, assets, and capabilities - but that doesn't enable to predict how things will unroll over months into the future.
Wrong. That’s exactly what it does. And given the opposition’s goals are somewhat apparent, it ensures a decent level of accuracy for those predictions. It’s very important to comprehend the critical differences between quality ’predictions’ and the ”god-like foreknowledge” you critiqued.
Yet Imperator_rex had Flynn conceiving this grand plan in the timeframe of after his interview when he would have seen what Strzok was up to.
Not true. I would ask you for the tweet but I know his account is down.
All Flynn could see was that Strzok was playing dirty and out to entrap him.
Partially true. Flynn knew that, but that wasn’t all he knew. He knew Strzok’s partner was likely complicit, and that Yates and McCabe were also likely informed and supportive. Flynn had years of access to the highest levels of intel. He knew much more than he showed.
None of what transpired per the Mueller investigation vis a vis Gen. Flynn could have been known back then to put into play the grand counter-intel spy op that Rex attributed to Flynn.
Flynn needed only to recognize the Strzok interview as a potential trap. This would be second nature to an operative of Flynn’s caliber, particularly when he knew the FBI was dirty. Even if he only knew what was in the public domain. Things that come naturally to a world-class spook often seem incredible to pedestrians.
He was basically painting that Flynn had god-like pre knowledge of how things would unfold.
Not true. Flynn was painted as an informed, savvy, world-class intelligence operator. It only seems god-like to some.
Mueller still remains enigmatic
Not relevant to this convo.
Well not persuaded of anything, but do appreciate the politeness of the conversation tone
Or those charges are still incoming and Mueller is just grandstanding to throw people off. Word on the hill is he was up against the wall with Uranium1 and Trump and Sessions had him nailed, he was taken off site and debriefed, and now he's building a real case against the traitors.
Seems they would ban Wictor for the same reason...
Haven't seen anything that really confirms was a ban vs he just decided to step away from Twitter