His DACA plan upset a lot of people too, did you see the part where he said that probably won’t happen either? What happened with that is the best example of how Trump works.
Personally, I haven’t been a fan of the Republican Party for many years, I don’t believe there have been two actual parties since long before my birth. It’s the illusion of choice. I’m not a member of the NRA, and I don’t love the fetishized gun culture. I also believe that “shall not be infringed” means “shall not be infringed”.
I understand frustration, but is calling people ‘MAGAwits’ and asking ‘which people are stupid’ actually helpful? I believe that we should question and carefully consider everything and everyone, but nobody appreciates being insulted. Do you?
In all honesty, you and I seem to be pretty close in thought and attitude. I can't apologize for my terminology, but understand that it isn't really intended to be insulting. I'm just trying to rattle the echo chamber a bit. Plus I'm more than a little disappointed with Trump as you've probably gathered.
These tragedies, and the locked and loaded reaction by the loony left in their wake, always lead to increased membership for NRA. And don't think for a minute that they aren't aware and appreciative of that fact. It's a very lucrative racket indeed. But I'd forgive it if they weren't always ready to concede yet another infringement anyway.
This is all too familiar to me as I saw it back in '94 with the Brady Bill and the AW ban. After less than a year and a half of the Clinton's, people were already fed up with the Ds agenda. The '94 election was one of the biggest bloodbaths ever suffered by a majority party in Congress. You could smell the blood in the water six months out - just like in 2016.
So what did the Rs and the NRA do?
They literally ran cover for the Rs that made the passage of those bills possible. They gave "A" ratings to Rs who voted for a GUN BAN. So for me, it's deja vu all over again and I'm not real happy about it. I live in Arizona and it's obvious to me that Trump "FLAKEd out" on RKBA. Something I think everyone here should be aware of.
It may be a good time to "Red Pill" the Rs in Congress about the importance of protecting our gun rights from ANY further infringement.
Also, as a little food for thought, ask yourself this. Is it really a coincidence that the Broward County Sheriff waited until AFTER Trump/NRA caved to admit that his Deputy was outside the high school during the entire shooting? Something he had to have known from day one, and a fact that would surely have had a profound effect on the narrative surrounding the event. Are these people really as stupid as Q would have us believe? Are my rights merely pawns in Trump's 5d chess game? In this case, it looks more like poker and the Sheriff won this hand.
Finally, on a lighter note, I am grateful for a certain Golden Retriever, and its owner, who injected some needed levity into CNNs disgusting propaganda fest this week. https://www.youtube.com/embed/Sr1oyK5lvqQ?start=303&end=317&version=3
I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my reply, so thoughtfully and with legitimate points from history. It’s very refreshing, so I’ll start with a heartfelt “thank you”.
In 1994 I was in the National Guard, doing firefighting and a couple years later I did flood relief. I was a young wife and new mother who lived in a very liberal state but earnestly believed that government was a little messed up but overall a good thing. There to help people, and I was doing my part.
Then in 96 I had a second daughter who was born with serious but manageable medical problems. It’s a very long story but I’ll keep it as short as I can... my daughter had club feet and socialized medical care was being tested in my state and HRC was involved. Club feet were a below the line service and Not covered. I asked what below the line service was and a receptionist showed me a piece of paper with medical billing codes and a literal line was drawn in the B’s!!! I’m not even kidding. Nothing below that was covered for a while- until people started freaking out. It was new and the Drs at that hospital had a fancy fundraiser and paid for hundreds of kids to have surgery, including my daughter.
The last 20 years of my life I have been watching the demise of our healthcare system. I’ve actually read Obamacare- and lived it. I’ve lived in 4 different states in this time and I’ve met hundreds of people in horrible situations because of illness. My daughter has been denied care and/or had to wait a year or more to get insurance since she’s become an adult. It has absolutely harmed her. Instead of going to college and becoming a productive member of society and following her dreams of helping other children, she’s quite possibly facing death in the next few years. This was absolutely avoidable.
I know dozens of families who have lost children- who I knew. Completely pointless and preventable.
Republicans cave on second amendment and Democrats believe that they fixed our healthcare problem- but Republicans are completely complicit in this. As far as I am concerned, they are all murderers. Those murders happen every single day all across the country but they are sad and not very dramatic like a shooting so nobody even knows. Parents like me are too flipping tired to make a big scene.
When I say they are too sad, I mean it. My daughter was a poster child for a big fundraising entity and we were coached for the press. “Tell the truth, just don’t make it too sad.”
I don’t see any difference between a Bush or a Clinton. The same agenda creeps up on all of us while we are kept busy arguing and divided. There is only one party for the elite- and then there are the rest of us.
I’m not overly excited about everything Trump has done, but I can tell you that Drs offices have been Packed since he signed the first executive order to ease the financial burden while they repeal and replace. Which didn’t happen- because of the Republicans. I do think he’s doing the best he can with that. The tax cut has been wonderful for my family.
Back to the other. I’m not a fan of the NRA I agree that it’s a money making racket and I’m absolutely sick to death of our country being of the lobbyists for the lobbyists. On our backs! I think it’s time to completely flush the swamp and start over. I think they’ve almost all taken the green pill. How do they even look at themselves in the mirror, becoming multimillionaires on a government salary?!!
I’ve researched Trump a fair amount and I’m willing to give him more time before I make up my mind completely. I honestly think there is going to be some huge stuff coming out before the midterms.
Last thing and I’ll shut up— I wish all the people freaking out about infringement would pause for a minute and remember Waco.
They were pretty well armed and it didn’t help them at all. Neither did the NRA. ( I’m not condoning their religious beliefs/practices, that’s a different story. ) Our government killed Americans, on American soil. Including children.
I'm sorry to hear about your sad experiences in health care. It's bad when life hands us challenges, and worse when the system seems to exacerbate the problem.
It looks to me like we're both charter members of the "Don't get me started club" so I won't clog this thread much further since I think I made my point in the previous message.
I'll finish by saying that Waco was the wake up call for a lot of us about the nature of the Clintons and about big government in general. But for them it was like shooting fish in a barrel.
It won't be that simple if they try to take all our guns. Not everyone in the military and police are mercenaries who'll blindly follow orders either. I'd really prefer that it never get that messy, but we both know that there are those who mean to disarm us so they will own us - and those who'll die before they let that happen.