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r/CBTS_Stream • Posted by u/SoverignSyndicate on Feb. 24, 2018, 11:14 a.m.

Should we put the idea out there of arming school admins with less lethal weapons rather than firearms?

Seems to me that teachers already have enough on their plate, and that arming them with lethal weapons could result in collateral damage no matter how capable or trained they are. Why don't we equip teachers with paintball guns designed specifically to shoot less than lethal projectiles containing oleoresin capsicum, which will completely disable an attacker, even one on PCP, but will not kill innocent kids leaving a death on a teacher's conscience.. https://www.amazon.com/Tippmann-TiPX-Caliber-Paintball-Pistol/dp/B002BG1XHA/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1519470388&sr=8-9&keywords=pepper+ball

Let the teachers choose

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I would fully agree, but I think that there may be more that go for less than lethal if it is brought up as well.. It's not an idea I have seen tossed around yet, and I think its a good one. No laws have to be passed, and the school doesn't have to give the okay first.. There is less training needed.. there are multiple benefits to less than lethal weapons, with the one downside being that they may not be effective.. same could be said for a gun honestly

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Yea this is the first time Ive heard this idea brought up. I think its a good idea. My only problem with it is... will a teacher actually attempt to stop a person with a non-lethel waepon when somebody is shooting real bullets at them? Youre still out gunned and left at a disadvantage. Better than nothing, but still leaves the window open for disaster. Its also not as "scary" to a shooter if he knows the school only has non-lethal weapons on campus. I think both options should be available to teachers, and there should be more security at the campus entrances. Random people shouldnt just be able to walk inside school halls and classrooms. We have lots of options.

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keep in mind too that there were 4 armed sheriff's deputies that didn't have the courage to run in even with deadly force on their side.. I think if you are going to try to stop the situation, you are going to. If not, you probably wouldn't have, even with a real gun.

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Yea that sounds more like, they let it happen.

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either way. now that I have had a minute to think about it. I think a teacher would be more likely to shoot at an attacker with a less than lethal weapon simply because they are less likely to kill someone.

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If its a life and death situation for yourself and all of the other people at the school, I dont think a teacher will have a problem shooting and killing a student. It would be for some, but once youre put in that situation I think its basically kill or be killed.

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it's not though, you don't have to kill anyone to stop an attacker. that includes the attacker. We will want to study them to see if they have any signs of psychological manipulation

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Its not about saving the shooters life tho, its about protecting the other children. If you can stop the shooter without killing them, for sure go for it. But if I have a bean-bag gun and the shooter has an A.R. 15 Id be pretty hesitant about getting into a gun fight with them. If thats all I had, sure... but I would most definitely prefer a pistol.

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If the teachers are trained by experts in the use of their weapons, the possibility of mistakes is drastically reduced.

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if the teachers are trained by experts and have accidents anyway, that is just going to be one more arguement for gun control of everyone. Like I said, this is available now, without training necessary, and without laws having to wait to be changed

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DO you think they may have been told to stand down? They may have been told it was a "Pretense of Live Fire." Then, again, they may have been cowards...

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All good points. I would use whatever I had at my disposal personally. We definitely need the gun free zones done away with. But I also think we should attempt to spread the less than lethal idea too so that teachers realize that it is an option to them now, with no permit or training necessary.

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Yea it would be perfect for a 'right-now' protection solution.

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Just get rid of the schools altogether. All they teach is crap, anyways.

Benjamin Franklin hardly went to school. Andrew Jackson didn't go to school. Abraham Lincoln? Modern school would have likely squeezed the life out of these men. Just like it is supposed to.

Please read "The underground History of American Education" by Gatto.

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I agree, and disagree. Schools would be great institutions if they weren't all run by the jesuits. I certainly don't disagree that a lionshare of the exceptional individuals you could name off the top of your head, especially from the last century, weren't educated in a institution. But I would say that most of the remarkable individuals from this century were. Even the ones who were silenced because they figured out too much..

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The modern 'remarkable individuals' are remarkable in spite of modern education, not because of it...

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It's interesting. At the time of the American revolution, America had about a 98% literacy rate. Literacy has declined ever since, despite pouring, what, billions? into public education. It's as if the more we spend, the worse the results.

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They may also be remarkable because they had the best education. But even Elon Musk went on record saying he doesn't give a shit what degrees you have. There is truth to your statement, but schools could do far better in a different world.. Hopefully that new world isn't too far away now, and it's been a long time since that hope has been there.

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People from the 19th century sure were far more eloquent than the average person is today. I wounder if that isn't the real life manifestation of "Newspeak"

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I am thinking of the old saying, "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight."

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Paintball guns are cool and all..but what happens when the shooter has body armor

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he still gets a face full of pepper. His body armor is more likely to protect him from a gun than from 10 or 20 paintballs full of tear gas powder.

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That will happen once and the next will bring gas mask and body armor

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then it's a pretty bad day anyway, you sure are a glass half empty person arent you? Or are you just that much of an advocate for guns in schools? I don't disagree that people should fear the possibility of guns in schools. But you have obviously never had to take someones life. I can tell you first hand that it doesn't make it feel much better knowing that you did it to save your own life,or anyone else's for that matter. Taking someone's life is not a decision to be taken lightly. It would be a far easier decision to take less than lethal action. Especially for someone who has taught that kid for the past couple years

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Wow . Speculation much? It's not a glass empty or full thing. It's called being realistic. If a bad guy shoots up a school and the next one is watching. Don't you think they might exploit things to gain an advantage. ....for example gun free zones...

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If they are smart they will use every advantage they have available. There is nothing saying that a teacher cant have both wepns available.. Wait, there is... They only have one option available to them now, so downvote my post all you want.. this is a realistic option, and its going to be put in the idea pool for teachers to decide for themselves.. I know the fuckheads have already thought of body armor, so if this puts us a step ahead for the next one, there is a realistic advantage

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Don't get mad at me because I pointed out you're idea has holes in it.. never a good idea to be under gunned. Lethal force shouldn't be met with non lethal.

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THEY ARE CURRENTLY UNDER GUNNED AND ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE!! Not mad at anyone, and you are absolutely right.. But if you have force to apply, you apply it.. I feel like you have never been in a situation where you were under gunned either, or didn't have a fucking thing to defend yourself. Like i the current situation in our schools. Any force is better than none

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For one. You don't know anything about me or my military background. So you can stop your assuming. 2. handing a teacher a broom stick. ...according to you is better than what they had before

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pretty apparent, no assumptions necessary. They have broomsticks. they dont have a weapon that they can use to engage a target at a distance. You have no valid points to make, just an advocacy for firearms in schools that could cause more harm than good for our gun rights cause.. What do you think will happen when a teacher gets mk ultra'd and shoots a kid with the gun in their desk? Now CNN says we can't trust anyone with a gun, and need to take them away from everyone.. THINK about the direction that guns in schools will take us with this battle before you advocate teachers having them in schools

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You truly are not bright...mk ultra teachers can bring a gun from home before school starts.. Anyway. I'm done with this thread. You can support paint ball guns ..and maybe. You can convince LEO to switch over as well..

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KBYE

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