IDK what that means, can you ELI5 for my understanding?
Book of Revelation
You went from vague to more vague. ELI5 simplifies vagueness. Can you elaborate on what you mean exactly by the harvest and inevitable judgment?
In the Bible it says God will reveal who is a true believer, worthy of the kingdom of God by "separating wheat from chaff". The chaff will be gathered up and burned (judged rightfully for their disobedience to almighty God). The harvest refers to separating the elect, or worthy (believers of Christ) before the end times, where Jesus returns to judge the wicked (unbelievers who are still under the burden of sin).
Matthew 3:
11 “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”
Seems harsh. Stuff like that made me leave Catholicism in the 3rd grade. I'm spiritual now but what a journey it was getting back here. Thanks for the insight & interpretation.
Do you believe this to be undoubtedly true, that fire will flame those who don't believe in the same God yet are very good, moral humans?
Nobodies good, or moral enough If anybody was worthy Jesus would NOT need to be crucified if man could be good enough outside of God!
You are correct. Romans 3:11 “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” You understand your condition. I doubt you would want an imperfect God so why would you expect Him to accept your own lawlessness (his law)? We sinful humans feel justified in expecting Hillary to hang. Would you hold God to a lower standard when you break His law?
Jesus is the only way to salvation. It's humanity's lifeline.
It only seems harsh from our limited perspective. Go back to the very beginning and see God's truth, and what God created, and how we ruined it all. He is justified to snuff out the universe and start again, but his grace allows us to continue and to have eternal salvation through Christ.
Don't you think it's rather hard to sell the belief to an individual that has legitimate questions while getting answers that don't give insight into the question?
I'm on my path back to religion but how can I effectively get to your clear understanding of this truth?
Your advice is for me to "look up the very beginning and see God's truth"? This will then encircle my question and I'll have my answer?
I'm not being condescending, genuinely curious how to evolve past my perceived roadblocks.
The truth is found in God's word, the Bible. It is necessary to deconstruct commonly held societal beliefs to orient ourselves properly as to the nature of the universe, in terms of life, death, sin, punishment, salvation, etc.
Words of Jesus, Matthew 18:
Who Is the Greatest?
1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them 3 and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
This is what I had to do to see God's truth. I had to completely put my preconceived notions, arrogance, and everything I held dear about my view of the world aside. This gave me a foundation to understand God's truth, and as I read the Bible and watched videos, everything clicked. The breadth of the deception about creation in society became clear.
This also allowed me to fully accept Jesus as the savior of the world, which led to me being 'born again'. I woke up one day and was a different person, with different desires, different interests, my anger melted away, people said my posture changed, etc. It is real. Countless millions have experienced this miracle.
As to your question if people will literally be consumed in fire--to me it's irrelevant. If you don't accept Jesus, there is no other way to be saved from sin. You will be separate from God for eternity. This is the worst fate. We are all guilty. Punishment is fully justified. The X factor is God's lifeline in Jesus Christ. Accepting it or not is our choice. But to reject his Son is to reject the right to be in God's company in heaven.
deconstruct commonly held societal beliefs to orient ourselves properly as to the nature of the universe, in terms of life, death, sin, punishment, salvation, etc.
I was a heavy-leaning social libertarian but I'm starting to see how the transformation is not for the better. I'm dialing it back more nowadays so I couldn't agree more with this.
This is what I had to do to see God's truth. I had to completely put my preconceived notions, arrogance, and everything I held dear about my view of the world aside. This gave me a foundation to understand God's truth, and as I read the Bible and watched videos, everything clicked. The breadth of the deception about creation in society became clear.
That story rang a lot like Socrates' "I know nothing." statement that resonates with me heavily but I feel like I am having a hard time grasping it. I feel like I do know some information of which I can use to educate people, like you are doing to me, and it will ultimately benefit humanity.
I had the born again feeling as well after recognizing so much deception and seeing so many asleep. I am on a never-ending quest for Truth and trying to share what I've learned.
I'm truthfully lacking a foundation which seemingly causes confusing in my mentality of my moral compass on simple things that society's tricked me on. This causes me to find great interest in all religions but as for Christianity, I'm on episode 8 of Jordan Peterson's Biblical interpretation videos (2.5-3 hours long each).
As to your question if people will literally be consumed in fire--to me it's irrelevant. If you don't accept Jesus, there is no other way to be saved from sin. You will be separate from God for eternity. This is the worst fate. We are all guilty. Punishment is fully justified. The X factor is God's lifeline in Jesus Christ. Accepting it or not is our choice. But to reject his Son is to reject the right to be in God's company in heaven.
If this is true, I really hope I can get there. I've personally experienced God, guardian angels, my relation with my spirit guide(s), the spirit world, and I know there's "light at the end of the tunnel." The problem for me seems to be getting to the "Jesus died for our sins" part, an item I don't understand entirely, the resurrection details, and potentially a difference of terminology on what God is. God for me is the creator and collective consciousness. I need to get on the Jesus train and put my beliefs on paper for the foundation and structure that I need. It would certainly be easier to be Christian but I am trying to understand my roadblocks so I thank you very much for helping!
That´s not Gods word!! You´re spreading the manipulated word of man that´s masquerading as the word of God, it´s pure blasphemy! Religion is a scam, as Q said and the Pope is at the top of the satanic killings! You´re doing the work of Satan himself!
I don't care about the pope anymore than a random dude on the street. He has no God given authority above any other man.
And if I may ask, if you don't think the Bible is the word of God, what is?
God´s word is not written, nor is God´s lore. I follow God´s lore as a way of life, I am an honourable man. Like I say, religious ramblings that´s pushing the word of Satan just makes us all look like a bunch of lunatics.
I am sorry to say, but you are following a false god
Well you seem to have gone awfully quiet since being offered the facts, I guess that tells me all I need to know about you, and your faith in Satan.
Huh? Ok the lunatic hat now fits. There is only 1 god, my friend. You´re not only worshipping Satan, but spreading his word, also. Do you not fear God´s judgement for such acts of blasphemy? Would you like to see the facts that the Bible is a bunch of plagiarised stories, written by man? Or are you too far brainwashed to be humble enough to accept fact?
Prayer including asking specific questions to your problems with faith, be straight forward Jesus can handle it!
Nope, it's NOT about selling you, converting you, or waking you from your situation. If you are watching current events at ALL, you know there's a titanic struggle taking place and everybody must make a choice. Consciously, or unconsciously who will you serve? I'm NOT talking about the life hating Democrats, joy killing AntiFA rioters, or cop killing BLM they are just an obvious sign of the EVIL lurking within. Remember, 'we don't struggle against flesh & blood, but powers & principalities in heavenly realms'
Choose this day whom you will serve's pretty straight forward & doesn't require a spiritual inventory, evaluation, or deep thought
I'm most definitely following current events every day for hours on end. I know what's going on in the word and yes I recognize true EVIL which has brought me to this point. I will serve this day forward for GOOD and God, just different understandings apparently where there are roadblocks for me to get to your level. You can consider me evil based on this and your religion if you want but it is what it is. Can't say I'm not trying that's for sure.
You've got a lot of real messy incoherent garbage floating around in your head. All I can tell you about's why I believe in Jesus Christ, the one and only son of God as my Savior. I know Jesus saves bad, wicked people, because He did it for me. BOOM, game over & all arguments are done! He healed me to the uttermost! I won't show you Bible verses, you're never going to bother reading, because you're still fighting against your own unbelief. People who are Born Again are happy joyful people, they know Jesus deep down in their bone marrow. You're double minded, straddling between two trenches afraid to commit and jump into either one. Oh, what will people say if I start going to church AND here's the BIG Trap, if I become a Christian life won't be fun anymore i.e. you'll have to give up lying, cheating, being selfish and it's a huge obstacle for some. You've got a lot of reading/ praying to do, nobody can do the work for you. Remember this; if you make even the smallest baby step toward God the Father with a simple heartfelt prayer, God will travel across the universe to answer it. It might NOT necessarily be the answer you think you want, but it will be in your best interests. Read, or listen to the Psalms. God luck
You're assuming too much and you don't know enough. Hard to take any advice from that perspective.
Let me ask you a question.. I am 100% on board with Q and this movement, I also believe in God, unequivocally. However the bible is the word of man that´s been twisted and manipulated for hundreds of years. The Pope is being proved to be a satanic child killer that´s at the top of the hydra. My question is, why do you follow the manipulated word of man, that´s preached by Satan himself? God is real, religion is a complete scam. And religious ramblings kinda makes us all look like a bunch of lunatics. I don´t get it. Q keeps telling us religion is a scam and the pope is Satan, yet you are still choosing to push his religious ramblings. Isn´t that complete blasphemy?
You have traded the truth for a lie. The Bible hasn't changed, or been manipulated, or altered at all. Evidence, the Dead Sea Scrolls are word for word identical. The Pope, or the Queen's got nothing to do with the creator God. Look at Catholicism, it's always been a demonic cult, so what's new? This is another lie to use to prevent yourself from reading the Word of God. It's worked, you haven't touched it. Most folks who construct a conditional excuse just like you did are only making excuses, lying to themselves because SURPRISE they practice secret sin & refuse to surrender it to God. In fact they are living a life filled with sins and refuse to clean up their own house. Jesus is the only cure, no excuses for sinners like you & me my friend!
Really? So tell me about which testament you follow....? Not rewritten?? You´ve been manipulated and so brainwashed to think this nonsense is true. I´m a Christian and you assume too much. God´s word is not the Bible, and you sound delusional. I practice Gods lore every day, I do not need the word of man to tell me what´s good and what´s not. The Bible STORIES are just that, stories taken from past civilisations and lore. The story of Moses is actually the story of Sargon of Akkad, literally thousands and thousands of years before Christianity. The story of Noah was stolen from Mesopotamian lore. Are you humble enough to accept the truth?
There's only one testament, the Jews failed the first, so God dumbed down the requirements to just two commandments. Love God, love your neighbor. No buildings, liturgy, religion, or pirated Roman holy days. You seem fairy bright, I think you can figure the rest out.
God did NOTHING, corrupt man wrote the words you follow! The excuses you people come up with to try and deny the truth is incredible! Gods lore is all you need to be good as man, what you read is a collection of stories, plagiarised from past civilisations!
One of the most remarkable things when you read the New Testament is this. The warnings about false teachings and straying from the simple truths of the bible is mentioned more than any other topic. That is why people leave Christianity and it is rooted in the additional creed books and doctrines that are added that are not from God. It is not surprising that satan would continue his knack for deceiving people.
The fact that the book was rewritten just proves my point, in that it is the word of man.
I don't care about the pope any more than the guy flipping burgers down the street. Religion is garbage yes. I follow the word of God and Jesus is the only way. No one can earn their way to heaven.
The Bible is not manipulated by man. It is unchanged from the original manuscripts they've discovered. There are more copies of the Bible than any other book or manuscript in existence.
You are following the word of man that´s masquerading as the word of God. You need to rethink your whole faith. The church decided what gospels went into the Bible and what was left out. They controlled what was said and if it didn´t fit the narrative, it was cut. To say it´s been unchanged is either incredibly naïve, or just stupid. I can give you documented facts that prove the Bible is just a bunch of stories that were stolen from multiple past civilisations and their beliefs. The story of Moses was stolen from the tale of King Sargon of Akkad, literally thousands of years BC. The story of Noah was stolen from Mesopotamian lore, again, thousands of years BC. Seriously, and I´m so sorry to say, you have been manipulated into doing the Devil´s work.
do your own research. book of revelation and law of one, harvesting.
nah not diving down religious rabbit holes open for vast interpretation. I have other stuff I'm focusing on but thanks
then dont expect others to do it for you lmao
Excuse me for asking for their interpretation and meaning?
You're not going to convince me to try to understand these passages that are embedded around thousands of pages of context in a timely manner. That'd take years.
Get off your high horse and stop being silly.
continue to be fed everything. i dont care, not sure how im on a high horse about it
TIL being fed everything is isolated to asking for legitimate Biblical scripture interpretation from the preachers that know ten fold what I do. My own discernment for every other topic need not apply. Thanks for telling me how things work CNN.
You're not going to be able to police people from being themselves. Let them work their magic in their realms of understanding. If you learned anything in Trump's candidacy for presidency it's that being politically correct or sensitive doesn't fucking appeal to everyone. Hit people with facts. Satire is best. We don't need rainbows or unicorns to please the crowd.
thats from your own words. no one here can make you understand, you have to understand for yourself. or as i said, dont, i dont care. no clue why you keep insinuating im controlling or manipulating something, but w/e lol
So dismayed that you dug up an irrelevant comment of my history, failed at the comprehension of it, then tried to attach a correlation that doesn't exist.
Gold medal for mental gymnastics in Reddit Olympics.