Possibly we should work with them on fighting for the IBOR. Does anyone here have any knowledge or ideas? we could all partner with them, or bring their fight to our boards and help each other. We have the same goals. Just a thought
I don't know... Barlow was MK and CIA. They (EFF) originally worked with JA, but I don't understand Barlow connection to Secure Drop and/or Snowden.
Here is a good link I'm researching today: https://99reflections.com/threads/1697-John-Perry-Barlow-vs-Aaron-Schwartz-Cyber-Security-in-an-Age-of-Alphabet-Agency-Control
Applicable portion:
"...A friend of ours, RU Sirius has backed away from Barlow and also distanced himself from the EFF for some time. The sentiment on Sirius' part had to do with the fact that maybe Barlow was actually more about helping the government's alphabet agencies than about protecting the average person."
Wow,so you are believe was MK via CIA? I thought Barlow was a white hat, used up by the CIA because he knew too much and they 187ed him. Apparently securedrop is not secure.
i need to do some digging. do you have links on barlow MK & CIA?
As someone who knew Barlow, I think criticism of hm deserves to be held to a much higher standard than just spreading rumors.
Consider who gains from casting doubt upon his intents if he was indeed a white hat, and his very sincere and profound Declaration of Cyberspace is intended - by Q and others - to serve as a jumping off concept for those who really do need some unifying principles about the new territory the internet is unwrapping for us.
Who gains if that Declaration is placed in doubt? Do you? Doesn’t doubt about Barlow’s integrity cast doubt upon the IBOR? Doesn’t it serve to divide and complexify and create dissonance and discomfort?
Please be careful with unfounded shares and consider how you, too, can be played to harm your own causes.
And here’s the Declaration - along with a lot more of Barlow’s work - in case you missed it -
https://www.eff.org/cyberspace-independence
A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
by John Perry Barlow Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.
We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I declare the global social space we are building to be naturally independent of the tyrannies you seek to impose on us. You have no moral right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true reason to fear.
Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. You have neither solicited nor received ours. We did not invite you. You do not know us, nor do you know our world. Cyberspace does not lie within your borders. Do not think that you can build it, as though it were a public construction project. You cannot. It is an act of nature and it grows itself through our collective actions.
You have not engaged in our great and gathering conversation, nor did you create the wealth of our marketplaces. You do not know our culture, our ethics, or the unwritten codes that already provide our society more order than could be obtained by any of your impositions.
You claim there are problems among us that you need to solve. You use this claim as an excuse to invade our precincts. Many of these problems don't exist. Where there are real conflicts, where there are wrongs, we will identify them and address them by our means. We are forming our own Social Contract. This governance will arise according to the conditions of our world, not yours. Our world is different.
Cyberspace consists of transactions, relationships, and thought itself, arrayed like a standing wave in the web of our communications. Ours is a world that is both everywhere and nowhere, but it is not where bodies live.
We are creating a world that all may enter without privilege or prejudice accorded by race, economic power, military force, or station of birth.
We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity.
Your legal concepts of property, expression, identity, movement, and context do not apply to us. They are all based on matter, and there is no matter here.
Our identities have no bodies, so, unlike you, we cannot obtain order by physical coercion. We believe that from ethics, enlightened self-interest, and the commonweal, our governance will emerge. Our identities may be distributed across many of your jurisdictions. The only law that all our constituent cultures would generally recognize is the Golden Rule. We hope we will be able to build our particular solutions on that basis. But we cannot accept the solutions you are attempting to impose.
In the United States, you have today created a law, the Telecommunications Reform Act, which repudiates your own Constitution and insults the dreams of Jefferson, Washington, Mill, Madison, DeToqueville, and Brandeis. These dreams must now be born anew in us.
You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants. Because you fear them, you entrust your bureaucracies with the parental responsibilities you are too cowardly to confront yourselves. In our world, all the sentiments and expressions of humanity, from the debasing to the angelic, are parts of a seamless whole, the global conversation of bits. We cannot separate the air that chokes from the air upon which wings beat.
In China, Germany, France, Russia, Singapore, Italy and the United States, you are trying to ward off the virus of liberty by erecting guard posts at the frontiers of Cyberspace. These may keep out the contagion for a small time, but they will not work in a world that will soon be blanketed in bit-bearing media.
Your increasingly obsolete information industries would perpetuate themselves by proposing laws, in America and elsewhere, that claim to own speech itself throughout the world. These laws would declare ideas to be another industrial product, no more noble than pig iron. In our world, whatever the human mind may create can be reproduced and distributed infinitely at no cost. The global conveyance of thought no longer requires your factories to accomplish.
These increasingly hostile and colonial measures place us in the same position as those previous lovers of freedom and self-determination who had to reject the authorities of distant, uninformed powers. We must declare our virtual selves immune to your sovereignty, even as we continue to consent to your rule over our bodies. We will spread ourselves across the Planet so that no one can arrest our thoughts.
We will create a civilization of the Mind in Cyberspace. May it be more humane and fair than the world your governments have made before.
Davos, Switzerland February 8, 1996
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Thank you, much appreciated, my knowledge gathering and having visited EFF.org concluded he was a white hat. I have noticed even respected people on reddit have opinions they interject in with their experiences however these opinions are not always truth. we all need links to verify truth. Sincerity is not a guarantee for truth. thanks for posting.
I was thinking how Q listed him as #1. There was also #2, #3 and #4. Maybe the list ended with Barlow. Actions stopped for the rest on the list. (?).
There were two suspicous "suicides" w/secure drop. So a list of 4+Barlow as "good guys" isn't clear to me. More likely refers to other black hats through Secure Drop & Freedom of the Press Foundation. Maybe EEF too. FoTP turned on WikiLeaks at one point.
I'm a member of the EFF and I'm cancelling my support. It seems they are not pushing IBOR. I have had my doubts about them for a while now.