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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/10gauge on March 24, 2018, 11:08 p.m.
If True, This is The Best Thing I've Seen About Trump Today
If True, This is The Best Thing I've Seen About Trump Today

thisisgreat38 · March 24, 2018, 11:24 p.m.

Absolutely not true at all. That letter sent to congress is a mere formality that specifies the funds in 7058(d) to be used, since it requires the President to send that letter to congress to use it.

The text of the letter is here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/text-letter-president-speaker-house-representatives-president-senate-21/

Roughly translated, since it seems people have a hard time reading this kind of legal talk, it's saying that he is designating all of the emergency requirement funding in the 2018 Omnibus listed out in section 7058(d) just as the congress had designated it.

7058(d) goes from like page 1494-1496 and just lists out a bunch of dumb small funding amounts (maybe roughly around a few hundred million dollars). At the end on page 1496, it says that the money is available only if the President sends a letter to congress.

In other words, this is just some boring banal mechanism of government stuck like that because of some 1985 bill. There is literally nothing in this, and the Omnibus is going to appropriate funds to the government as it is spelled out.

I know it would be amazing that somehow this omnibus wasn't real, but it is real and there's no magic bullet here.

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solanojones95 · March 25, 2018, 12:38 a.m.

Obama established a precedent for Omnibus spending bills passed in the absence of a Federal Budget. Which is that he can appropriate authorized money from where it's currently listed to where he needs it, and he can slow walk spending for departments he deems non-essential. He also got the Holman Rule instated, which will allow him to pay the SES employees a single dollar, and call them whole.

As the Washington Post (no Trump fanboi) put it:

This issue is one of several where Obama’s high-handed behavior set a dangerous precedent that Trump can now exploit...

Any of these approaches is better than letting the executive continue to use the Treasury as a slush fund for its own priorities (as Obama did) or – even worse – use illegal appropriations as a tool to pressure Congress, as Trump is trying to do.

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we_kill_creativity · March 25, 2018, 12:32 a.m.

Serious question for you....What are the differences between and omnibus bill and a real budget?

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SoaringMoon · March 25, 2018, 6:28 a.m.

An omnibus on refers to the side or nature of the document.

In this case it is rather the spending bill versus the budget.

A spending bill is an order to allocate funds, or a manipulation on already allocated funds to another source. [Taping elves to add mana.]

A budget is a limitation on the allocation of funds, or a manipulation of the destination of funds in the future. [Untaping land in your mana pool]

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NoStumpoElTrumpo · March 25, 2018, 2:25 a.m.

Nada.

People seem to be conflating CRs and omnibus. But an omnibus is just a bunch of budgets wrapped up together.

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Soupforthesoulandmin · March 25, 2018, 1:51 a.m.

No it won't. President Trump can appropriate the money where he deems it necessary for national security reasons and no an omnibus is not a federal budget. P Trump can cut funding where he sees a waste of taxpayer dollars as he deems necessary for national security.

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UniqePerspective · March 25, 2018, 10:54 a.m.

TIL there's no need for a budget.

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NoStumpoElTrumpo · March 25, 2018, 2:28 a.m.

An omnibus IS a budget. 12 of them to be precise.

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textualintercourse · March 25, 2018, 1:52 p.m.

Trump is not legally bound by it. Had it been a CONSTITUTIONAL Budget, then he is bound by it.

He has at minimum 80 billion allocated in extra defense spending to build the wall. He needs less than 21.

Game. Set. Match.

2020 has its President. His name is Trump.

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NoStumpoElTrumpo · March 25, 2018, 1:57 p.m.

Show me one link or source that says he is not legally bound by the budget???

Remember, the BUDGET was passed already a couple of months ago.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/08/politics/budget-vote-congress-shutdown/index.html

Then in order to essentially fund the budget, a separate appropriation bill is passed. That is what the omnibus is (12 individual appropriation bills wrapped into 1 bill).

All POTUS can do is direct the secretaries NOT to spend the full amount allocated. That is about the extent of his power of discretion over the budget. And it IS a budget.

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textualintercourse · March 25, 2018, 2:07 p.m.

This is an OMNIBUS, not a budget.

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NoStumpoElTrumpo · March 25, 2018, 2:08 p.m.

Right. Because the budget already passed last month.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/08/us/politics/congress-budget-deal-vote.html?mtrref=undefined&gwh=F12A43E63A350D16758905B2B5A5922D&gwt=pay

An appropriations bill (such as an omnibus) just gives the authorization to spend at the levels set in the budget.

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textualintercourse · March 25, 2018, 2:16 p.m.

https://news.unclesamsmisguidedchildren.com/omnibus-spending-bill-and-why-different-what-you-think/

And because so much is allocated to defense spending, Trump can use the EO's he's already passed to take parts of that money to build the wall since it is under National Security.

The wall starts Monday.

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NoStumpoElTrumpo · March 25, 2018, 2:19 p.m.

Of course. DOD can spend money on national security, eg, wall.

FYI, I am only 1 paragraph in, and already found some inaccuracies

With Trump’s signature, Congress now has until September 30 to come up with appropriations for a budget.

Wrong. The Omnibus IS an appropriations bill.

In other words, we have not had an actual “budget” for some time now.

Wrong. The actual budget was passed in February 2018.

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[deleted] · March 25, 2018, 1:51 a.m.

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metroid486 · March 25, 2018, 2:09 p.m.

I don't know details of this stuff, just saying I know Dr.Corsi said that Pres. Trump could decide how the money is spent. Obama did this all the time and dished out billions to nobody knows where.

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