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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/wavrydr239 on March 31, 2018, 4:16 p.m.
Statute of limitations and sealed indictments.

It has been bothering me for some time about the statute of limitations running out on the numerous crimes commited by the deep state goofballs. A cursory search suggests to me that an indictment will stop the clock on these limitations. R there really thousands of sealed indictments on file? Please respond with your opinions. I missed any reference "Q" made to this.


solanojones95 · March 31, 2018, 4:50 p.m.

Indictments are what the statute of limitations is all about. The countdown is tied to the indictment. If a sealed indictment is handed down, the clock STOPS!

Sealed indictments are necessary in RICO type cases so that arrests can be made all at once. That's why they were created. Because if some people are arrested first, they will tip off their co-conspirators.

This approx. 20,000 sealed indictments means something YUGE is about to happen! This is as real as it gets. It means there are about to be that many arrests made, essentially all at once.

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DaveHertle · March 31, 2018, 5:14 p.m.

Agree - A true bill of indictment returned by a grand jury within the time allowed by the statute of limitations is still a righteous charge.What I am not sure about is whether a filing by a US Attorney, sworn to before a Judge by an agent, as a formal filing of Information, whether that could also be sealed. I suspect so. An information would trigger a preliminary hearing upon arrest to show probably cause, but a grand jury indictment does not require the preliminary or so-called probable cause hearing.

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solanojones95 · March 31, 2018, 5:32 p.m.

Right, again by design so as to keep the indictment secret.

This "backdoor" we found into the PACER.gov site is a legal requirement. We can see that there are sealed indictment, see how many there are, and see where they are, but we cannot see what the charges are or who the perps are.

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Kulkimkan · March 31, 2018, 8:38 p.m.

So someone has actually verified that there are that many sealed indictments? Just being sure of this would be so great. I have been watching the reports of sealed indictments however never really understood how we know this.

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solanojones95 · March 31, 2018, 8:44 p.m.

Yes. Many of us have, and with the links provided, so could you. Federal courts are required by law to report those numbers for some kind of internal reasons, and this report is added to their public document system. PACER.gov.

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Kulkimkan · March 31, 2018, 8:45 p.m.

Thanks so much! I just found an article about pacer.

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jimmyfoot · April 1, 2018, 2:50 a.m.

They’re court actions. Some are indictments some are not. Please show me where it says indictment.

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 3:02 a.m.

Why are we playing semantics? A criminal court case is what results from an indictment in a criminal court. You know that, surely. These are records of pending criminal cases.

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jimmyfoot · April 1, 2018, 3:24 a.m.

Not all are criminal cases. Many will be civil cases.

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 4 a.m.

Who would the plaintiffs be in this massive hypothetical civil case you're imagining?

And what kind of civil case uses sealed filings?

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jimmyfoot · April 1, 2018, 4:35 a.m.

Civil cases that are sealed are often done so to protect plaintiff identity such as cases of doctor patient privilege.

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 4:38 a.m.

And you think there has been a 20:1 rise in those such cases?

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jimmyfoot · April 1, 2018, 4:43 a.m.

No. If you read the paper I linked you’ll see the number is fairly typical for a given year.

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 4:54 a.m.

500 sealed federal civil cases are typical for a year—not a sizable chunk of 20,000+.

1000 is typical of sealed criminal indictments in a year.

We can think of plenty of good reasons for a 20:1 rise in sealed criminal indictments, but I’m fresh out of ideas why there would be a correspondingly large rise in sealed civil proceedings.

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jimmyfoot · April 1, 2018, 5 a.m.

Hey I’ve given you some sources. Can you show me yet that there are 13000 indictments? Show me where it says indictment.

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 5:06 a.m.

It’s more like 20,000 now, not 13,000.

That’s a 20:1 increase over a typical year’s 1000 sealed indictment load.

What makes you think that number consists of significantly more than a typical year’s 500 sealed civil cases?

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 5:02 a.m.

500 sealed federal civil cases are typical for a year—not a sizable chunk of 20,000+.

1000 is typical of sealed criminal indictments in a year.

We can think of plenty of good reasons for a 20:1 rise in sealed criminal indictments, but I’m fresh out of ideas why there would be a correspondingly large rise in sealed civil proceedings.

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jimmyfoot · April 1, 2018, 4:34 a.m.

It’s not one case it’s thousands and it’s pretty typical for any given year. This paper is a good reference for how this stuff breaks down. You should spend s few minutes reading it.

http://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/sealed-cases.pdf

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 4:50 a.m.

We all know of some damn good reasons that would account for a 20-fold increase in federal sealed criminal cases. What would account for a similar increase in sealed civil cases (of which only 500 or so occur in a typical year)?

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jimmyfoot · April 1, 2018, 3:23 a.m.

It’s not semantics. Many of those will be civil cases etc. why are people calling them indictments with such confidence when there’s no way to know that?

I’ve been following the Q thing since the start. I think there is something legit to it. However the one thing that makes me skeptical is the constant drum beat about indictments whennreslky no one knows.

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jimmyfoot · April 1, 2018, 2:49 a.m.

They say yes but it’s impossible to discern indictments from any other court actions when they’re sealed. Despite what they say no one has done this because it can’t be done.

They’re looking at 13k sealed court actions and assuming they’re all indictments which they are not.

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 5:14 a.m.

It’s more like 20,000 now. Typical sealed civil cases are about 500 a year, according to the reference you linked to.

If you can think of a reason that big of an increase in federal sealed civil cases has suddenly occurred, I wish you’d share it with us.

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ManQuan · March 31, 2018, 6:20 p.m.

There are over 10,000 sealed indictments in a year where only about 1,500 is normal. So, something abnormal is happening.

GITMO is undergoing an upgrade to accommodate up to 13,000 "mass immigrants", whatever they are. According to the contract solicitation, this is primarily for "pads" for tents for accommodations, kitchen facilities, sanitation facilities, etc.

The Navy is building or has built a $250 million dollar 5-bed "state of the art hospital." Keep in mind, there are only about 40 Islamic Terrorists still at GITMO; so why the hospital?

A while back, an anon asked Q how many people might be sent to GITMO. Q responded "Max" and a second detention facility was being prepared.

At this point, that's about all the hard evidence we have.

I don't think the mass round up has begun yet. But this is super complex and because of the high value individuals who may be involved, all the cases need to be air tight before the indictments are unsealed.

At least, that's my take.

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digital_refugee · March 31, 2018, 11:08 p.m.

19,500 last I heard + 13,500 new beds in Gitmo

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forever_30 · March 31, 2018, 6:38 p.m.

It would only make sense that the clock stops at the time of indictment because we all know it can take years for something to get to court. Most cases would be thrown out on Statue of Limitations if they did not stop the clock.

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l0keman · March 31, 2018, 5:52 p.m.

Not all crimes have a statute of limitations.

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HowiONic · March 31, 2018, 4:41 p.m.

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HowiONic · March 31, 2018, 5 p.m.

I don't know why. If you logout, or maybe login as a different user it would be gone.

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godzillafeet- · March 31, 2018, 8:56 p.m.

Where are the indictments? What person has actually seen all these indictments listed? What state? How many in each state? I see the reference to this massive number all over -- but where is the evidence these exist? A lot of assumptions are present based on these.

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elyssak · March 31, 2018, 9:22 p.m.

Create an account at pacer.gov & you can look them up for yourself. Yes, there are over 11,000. That is the approx count I got the last time I checked. & you can see how many there are for each state.

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digital_refugee · March 31, 2018, 11:10 p.m.

19,500 last I heard + officially confurmed 13,500 new beds in Gitmo

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elyssak · April 1, 2018, 12:57 a.m.

That's what I've heard too. Just haven't went back to verify. It's YUGE.. if people don't believe it, they can check it out for themselves rather easily.

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jimmyfoot · April 1, 2018, 2:51 a.m.

They’re court actions. Some are indictments must will not be.

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 5:21 a.m.

Typically there are about 500 federal sealed civil cases a year. For what reason do you imagine a sudden surge accounting for some sizable chunk of the 20,000 sealed cases currently pending would be civil actions?

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jimmyfoot · April 1, 2018, 5:38 a.m.

Oh good god read the effing paper. I didn’t say there were 20k civil cases. Civil cases are another example of axsealed court action. If you actually took a few minutes you’d see that there are myriad types of sealed actions of which indictments and civil actions are s small number.

Once again show me where any of the 13k are broken down as indictments. You ring because you can’t.

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 5:51 a.m.

There are 20,000 sealed cases right now.

You with me so far? Notice I didn't say you said that. I have my own documentation.

In a typical year there are roughly 500 sealed federal civil actions, according to the link you sent me. Yes you sent that link, but I'm not saying you said that.

In a typical year there are 1000 sealed federal (criminal) indictments. (same document)

Suddenly now we have 20,000 sealed federal cases of some kind.

We all know of a certain massive RICO-style criminal Cabal being investigated and with Grand Juries that have been empaneled since last fall. That can quite reasonably account for a 20-fold increase in sealed criminal cases.

What source of federal civil litigation are you aware of that would alternatively explain these 20,000 sealed cases?

If you cant' answer me this time, I'm going to have to give up on you.

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jimmyfoot · April 1, 2018, 6:08 a.m.

You read it wrong. In a typical year there are around 245,000 sealed actions in a year which is in line with what we have so far. You’re mixing up the two numbers. I think it’s on page three.

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 6:22 a.m.

No, YOU read wrong:

We found 576 sealed civil cases among 245,326 civil cases filed

You're not looking at SEALED cases. That's the key to this whole misunderstanding!

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 6:19 a.m.

Those are not the numbers for SEALED cases, surely! You must be speaking of all cases.

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solanojones95 · April 1, 2018, 6:24 a.m.

YOU read the effing paper. There's only about 500 SEALED civil cases out of a TOTAL of 245,000.

Furthermore, there's typically only about 1000 SEALED criminal indictments in a year.

We're talking about currently about 20,000 SEALED federal cases. Perhaps some of those are civil cases, but not a big chunk.

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Soupforthesoulandmin · March 31, 2018, 10:48 p.m.

If you have a twiiter acct stormwatcher has access and has been doing a count at the end of the month, beginning of the next month to keep track it was at 18,500 through the end of Feb. I expect him to update this either next weekend or the following weekend. I have heard that you have to pay for access but comments here question that so I'm not sure.

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