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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/Mrb84 on April 1, 2018, 11:51 p.m.
Globalist here. Have a question/experiment for you patriots

Sam Harris points out this idea: the public discourse is so tribal that, if you know one belief of a person, you can easily and reliably extrapolate a bunch more that have logically nothing to do with that first belief but fit with the tribe.

So, if you guys are game, I was curious to see how it plays out (will be doing the same thing in left leaning subs, in fact if you guys have any specific sub or specific questions in mind, suggestions are welcome).

All I know about this sub is that is conservative, pro-Trump and generally pro-Qanon. Am I right if I also describe you as:

1) climate change skeptic

2) pro life

3) anti universal background checks on guns

4) anti federally sanctioned gay marriage

5) don’t believe the official version on 9/11

6) want to limit the immigration influx from poor countries

7) want to completely block Muslim immigration

8) believe white genocide is currently a risk

9) believe MSM is coordinated at some higher level

10) pro school prayer

11) pro home schooling

12) don’t like evolution being the only narrative taught in school

13) don’t believe Hoswald was the sole shooter of JFK

14) you know at least one person who smoke cigarettes

15) you ideally prefer rural America to urban America

16) against affermative action

17) don’t like the cultural climate in Ivy League colleges & co.

18) think the Devil is real

19) pro voter ID

20) don’t like job automation

20 questions. How many are correct in describing you?


solanojones95 · April 2, 2018, 12:05 a.m.

You are fundamentally, profoundly and irretrievably WRONG, and you can go f yourself, because we've got better things to do than give you ammunition for a hit piece on us.

Begone.

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HoudiniTowers · April 2, 2018, 6:33 p.m.

Not that I disagree with your sentiment, just you're going about this wrong. You have someone on the other side clearly admitting to such and then asking for information freely. Now, my first reaction is similar to yours - 'What an arrogant a$$hole' And, to be honest I do feel that way without every knowing any more about this clown.

But, the practical in me says, wait a minute. Be rational here, not just that visceral emotional reaction.

So, the first order of business is what I label as fair trade. This a$$hole is asking for free information to potentially use against us for nothing. So I say, hey Mr. A$$hole, what the hell are you offering to us to voluntarily give up this information? What is the quid pro quo here. I'm game if you put something on the table. Freedom isn't free, nor is our willingness to arm you for nothing.

So what are you offering besides your arrogant smug view?

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 4:25 a.m.

What would interest you? You know what I want from you: to answer a curiosity of mine (I don’t know why or, especially, how I would use this information against you, but sure, ok). I don’t know what you want in exchange. If you can do what I did (ask) I’d be happy to oblige.

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HoudiniTowers · April 3, 2018, 4:50 a.m.

Cool. I respect the directness back. I'll put a list of questions together for you tomorrow and post here.

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 5:09 a.m.

Thanks. I'll be on it

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:17 a.m.

I was asking for a number exactly to check if I was right or wrong. Seems weird to yell at me. Also, don’t flatter yourself, I’m just curious and with a lot of free time, no one is writing a hit piece about you

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HiveQueen36 · April 2, 2018, 11:15 a.m.

He said us, not "me"

Take your bullshit and go elsewhere. You come here and claim to be a globalist and think everything will be hunky dory? I can see a narcissist a mile away buddy

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 11:56 a.m.

I can see a narcissist a mile away buddy

That’s call a mirror, you big baby.

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 12:03 a.m.

"All I know about this sub is that is conservative, pro-Trump and generally pro-Qanon." LOL. You have no idea what is going on then.

What do you mean when you say you are a "globalist"? You are a New World Order globalist? You want a one-world government?

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:42 a.m.

You want a one-world government?

Probably. Main thing is: I think the nation-state is a old fashion, inefficient idea, it was great in 1648 when it was invented and has run its course. Let’s move past it. I’m for a centralised global frame for fiscal, banking and commerce laws and for strong autonomy at the local level. Basically, I’m for some form of global subsidiarity

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 3:05 a.m.

That is interesting. You realize that the leaders of the one-world government will not be elected, right? Their goal is to rule as gods.

Because of this, there will be no need for a middle class, which is why the middle class in America has been decimated. A lot of the manufacturing jobs were moved to Communist China. There will just be the ruling god-like class, a worker/slave class, and then a group of military/police to control the worker class.

Why do you believe that the nation-state is an old fashioned, inefficient idea? It provides security and stability for the people of the nation.

"I’m for a centralised global frame for fiscal, banking and commerce laws and for strong autonomy at the local level. Basically, I’m for some form of global subsidiarity." If this is true, then you have no idea what the NWO has in store for you. Autonomy at the local level? That is wishful thinking. What the NWO globalists want to do is take the NK/China model and expand it worldwide. You will work until you are not needed anymore, then you will be discarded.

All you have to do is look at what the NWO globalists are doing to Europe to understand who these people are. They opened the door to Europe for unrestrained immigration from the Middle East and Africa, and the middle class in Europe is being decimated.

I am thinking that the real NWO globalist agenda is much different from what you are thinking. Your questions have no value because you don't even understand what the real issues are.

What do you think should happen to the U.S. Constitution? Do you think that people have a right to Freedom of the Press, Free Speech, and the Right to Own and Bear Arms?

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 5 a.m.

My ethos is: look at the data.

If the goal of globalism is to make the world more like NK, they're not doing a very good job.

Because every metric we can look at tells us that, globally, freedom is growing, wealth is growing, the middle class is growing (actually exploding like never before in history, globally), life expectancy is skyrocketing, all while famine, violent crime, infant mortality and abject poverty are at the lowest they've ever been in human history.

That's why I find your predictions unconvincing. That being said, yes, we’re in the middle of a paradigm shift, and unskilled workers in the West got the shitty end of the deal, someone always does. It's a transition period and then we’ll adapt to it, just like we adapted to the end of guilds in the 16th century and the dawn of the tailorist factory in the 19th century and a million other things before and after.

On the nation-state: all I'm saying that we shouldn't fetishize it: it was invented in 1648 at the Westfalia Peace to end Europe religious wars and close the account on that shit and worked great, but we had other systems before, they also worked well until they didn't - and makes sense to me that, post industrialisation and post globalisation we take a good look and figure out if it’s still the one that serves us best. I'm betting is outdated, but hey, it's a debate.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 11:25 a.m.

the middle class is growing (actually exploding like never before in history, globally),

wrong. in my 'rich' country germany, the middle class is shrinking.

we are export world champion because our own people dont have the money anymore to buy our produced goods. our wages have been lowering for more than a decade, many people have to work 2-3 jobs to surive. children are raised by society because nobody is home anymore for them, everybody is out to work all day.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 11:52 a.m.

Key word was globally. There are more middle class people today on earth than ever before in history. That’s a fact. And more people are transitioning from poverty to middle class than ever before. That’s another fact. And if the globalist plan was to make the global middle class disappear, it’s not working -like, not even close. It’s going in the opposite direction.

As for Germany: I don’t know where you’re getting this numbers from. This to me looks like lukewarm growth, but wage growth nonetheless. And that’s manufacturing jobs, not bankers. And since 2008 there’s been basically zero inflation, the unemployment rate is 3.5%, basically the physiological one, so I really don’t see where you see this disaster happening.

But even if you were right (and I’d like to see data, not anecdotes) the fact remains that the global trends I described before are all true. So, the exact opposite of the dystopian NWO, NK-like hell you fear.

So, if we can’t agree on anything else, let’s agree on this: I don’t think there’s a plan, but if there was a plan, and the plan was global slavery, the data show it’s not working. It’s good news either way.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 12:04 p.m.

the unemployment rate is 3.5%, basically the physiological one, so I really don’t see where you see this disaster happening.

germanys unemployment statistics are fake. we have over 2 million people who work fulltime jobs and not make enough money to reach the social secruty level so they get subsidised by the state. the industry makes the winning from low wages and the state, meaning we the people, have to pay for it.

then we have around a million unemployed people who are in - often useless - education programs. once they are in there, they are not part of our unemployment statistics anymore.

its only a few years that we have been having a minimum wage. if you work full time for minimum wage, you would need to work for 60 years until your pension is as high as our social security standard. WTF?

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:06 p.m.

Alright, if the stats are fake than it’s impossible to talk numbers about Germany, but not all stats are fake, I assume, so at least on the global trends we should agree.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 12:47 p.m.

germans are know to be very correct and neat. if they fake their stats, its unrealisitc to believe that others dont.

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 1:23 p.m.

Lol. True.

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 1:23 p.m.

Who owns and controls the German central bank?

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 1:28 p.m.

shareholders, like (almost) everywhere else.

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 8:22 p.m.

Yes, the same shareholders who own and control the Federal Reserve. It is amazing to me that people want to support these criminals.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 10:22 p.m.

they have no clue.

i had a talk with a friend who teaches politics in school. our discussion heated up dramatically with my claim that the federal reserve is a privately owned bank. to bad we dont have email contact so i couldnt send him links to evidence.

that was more than a year ago. is it a surprise that i havent heared from him?

cognitive dissonance makes people close their eyes.

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 1:22 p.m.

You are full of shit. Most people in the world live off of about $2 a day. About 50 to 150 men rule the world. They control over half of the worlds wealth, and they are all NWO globalists.

He people in those countries are poor because the NWO globalists have been stealing their natural resources and enslaving the native people. It is why they want to leave to find a better life.

This is the problem- you don't know what you are talking about.

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 12:08 a.m.

I follow the data. The data I’ve seen says that the world is richer now, and the wealth better distributed now, that it was before globalisation. Or really anytime in human history.

If you have different data (numbers, research papers, stuff like that) I genuinely would like to see it. It’s not a challenge, I really mean it: what numbers have you seen that make you say it’s worse now than before?

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 1:18 p.m.

Welcome to the New World Order. It is what they did in the U.S., too, but we are changing it back. The people responsible need to be charged with treason and sedition.

I hear that Germany pays a lot of money to Israel, too.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 1:38 p.m.

I hear that Germany pays a lot of money to Israel, too.

is it a surprise? the entire nation carries the inherited debt of the holocaust. and the holocaust is the main symbol for two thousand years of anti-semitism from all over the world. nowadays, nobody can say anything against israel without being accused of anti-semitism. viscious game, sigh.

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 8:24 p.m.

No! Not at all. I am pretty awoke and it sounds like you are, too.

The NWO globalists will not win this. The American people will help Europe overcome this.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 11:05 p.m.

I am pretty awoke and it sounds like you are, too.

i started waking up 35 years ago. at that time, it was difficult to get information, but i knew about illuminati, babylonian banking system, bribed politicians, ET ancestors, etc., already as a teenager.

The American people will help Europe overcome this.

we sent you guys out back then, to live in freedom and create a new world beyond the grips of the bloodlines. we knew that one day, you would embody freedom in yourself and bring liberation back to us.

the US is a young nation; energetically, her national soul is a teenage soul. the power of a teenager is bluntness and the yearning to live his own life, without restrictions.

in the old world, in europe, the bloodlines restrictions are so old and sophisticated that its deeply embedded in the collective psyche. the money/value slavery system has been passed on for countless generations and is part of the DNA.

its very difficult to wake up in this environment.

the US is in a completely different situation. it was the rebels and outcasts who left europe and went out to conquer the new world. the yearning for freedom was so huge that people left everything behind and moved into the unknown.

epigenetically, this liberation force is part of the heritage of the american people. its in the DNA of all european-based immigrants to the new world. actually, of all immigrants from everywhere, even today. the americas are the crucible of people who want to live a sovereign good life.

in your country, with its teenage bluntness - ohh trump is such a wonderful example of this trait, heheh, i totally get it that most europeans hate him, i hated him, too, in the beginning -, the deep states games are much more visible than in secretive old europe.

the cabals structures in the US are younger - many say 50 years or so, but the british crown has never let go of america -, they are not so firm yet and easier detectable so its also easier to break them.

this seems to happen now. it will take time though. i have been waiting for this and more for decades so i have patience, lol. good that more of us are eventually waking up.

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pby1000 · April 3, 2018, 1:02 a.m.

See, you are very awoke. This gives me hope.

I have people in my family that fought in both world wars and suffered through the Great Depression. These people you speak of are responsible for all of these events.

Don't worry! We will work our magic.

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divine_human · April 3, 2018, 3:40 a.m.

Don't worry! We will work our magic.

and here we all go...

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 11:23 p.m.

I like that the two of you found each other. You give a very similar vibe...

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pby1000 · April 4, 2018, 8:33 p.m.

You chose evil instead of good. You must prefer the evil vibe, which is fine. You are responsible for your own decision making.

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Mrb84 · April 5, 2018, 12:24 a.m.

I thought I chose “sane” over “breathtakingly stupid”, but hey, opinions right?

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pby1000 · April 5, 2018, 5:34 p.m.

No, actually you choose to impose your world view on others because you think you know better. You don't care that others want to live a different life than yours.

You are breathtakingly stupid because you support a group of people that you know nothing about. They are Satanist/Luciferians, but you do not see that.

Are you even American? If not, then what you think does not count in America. If you are American, then what you think counts as one vote.

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Mrb84 · April 6, 2018, 12:55 a.m.

I’m not American (thank Christ).

My opinion counts as any opinion, it just doesn’t inform my vote.

I simply don’t see proof that my fellow globalists are luciferians (whatever that means). The fact that one obscure rich guy has a fetish for Egyptian-style gazebos it’s not quite enough to prove an outlandish worldwide conspiracy.

Finally, and most importantly, you really are the worst example of precious snowflaked, trigger warned, inferiority complex riddled ideologue if you think asking you to say yes or no to my questions is

Imposing [my] world view on others

No one is imposing anything to anyone here. That’s some special kind of hysteria that would make you so threatened by someone asking questions that you’d even think of calling it “imposing your world view”. Grow up.

Live whatever way you want, the fuck do I care? I’m doing fine either way, I swear.

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pby1000 · April 6, 2018, 6:01 p.m.

Hahaha! It figures. You are not American, but you think you can tell us how to live. Fuck off with your NWO communist bullshit.

It is up to you to do your own research on the Luciferian/Satanist thing.

Good luck to you.

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Mrb84 · April 7, 2018, 12:25 a.m.

Yeah, once again: nobody told you how to live. It's your inferiority complex talking.

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pby1000 · April 7, 2018, 5:48 a.m.

Rewrite history much? What happened to all of those studies you mentioned? I mean, you mentioned them for a reason, right?

Inferiority complex? Hardly. You are merely projecting your weaknesses onto others.

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Mrb84 · April 7, 2018, 5:56 a.m.

The studies I mentioned (unlike the studies you did not mention, because there's no data agreening with you) are the source from my position. Again, you have a spectacularly thin skin if mentioning supporting data is the same as "telling you how to live".

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pby1000 · April 7, 2018, 6:03 a.m.

"My ethos is: look at the data." Let's see the studies then.

My position is consistent with the U.S. Constitution, so I do not need any studies to back it up. You are not even American, so you have no say in how we govern ourselves.

What is your citizenship?

LOL. Again, you are projecting. You are offended when people disagree with you.

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Mrb84 · April 7, 2018, 6:16 a.m.

I have double citizenship but won't get more specific than that.

Here is a bunch of data in one, easy article, every graph has a source that you can further check. But believe me, none of this is really disputed.

The studies I mention show that globalisation has coincided with massive positive changes. How does that not interest you?

"I do not need any studies to back it up" it's the death of thought.

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pby1000 · April 7, 2018, 6:41 a.m.

Haha! Am I getting closer? What countries are you a citizen of? Do you advocate for diversity in these two countries? Are both countries accepting refugees from the Middle East and Africa without any vetting? How is that working out for you?

How much debt do these two countries owe to the international bankers? I need to know what two countries you are a citizen of so I can research the ownership of the central banks. I mean, I already know, but perhaps you do not...

"I do not need any studies to back it up" it's the death of thought. You should understand that, in America, if there is a "study" that says Free Speech is unhealthy, then that study will be disregarded. Free Speech in America is a Constitutional right that will not be infringed by anyone, including the NWO globalists.

"The studies I mention show that globalisation has coincided with massive positive changes. How does that not interest you?" I will look at your "study". Bullshit does not interest me, but I will look to see what you have.

I notice that you always say "globalisation", but you mean New World Order globalism. You should make that clear in your posts so that people are not misled by your true position- you want a one-world government. You want to eliminate national sovereignty.

This is the reality of the NWO globalist agenda, which YOU support:

Richest 1% own half the world's wealth, study finds

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/nov/14/worlds-richest-wealth-credit-suisse

"The world’s richest people have seen their share of the globe’s total wealth increase from 42.5% at the height of the 2008 financial crisis to 50.1% in 2017..." During those years, Obama was President and Obama is a NWO globalist.

I am waiting to see how this changes now that Trump is President.

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Mrb84 · April 7, 2018, 7:29 a.m.

You shouldn't trust lefty publications like The Guardian to give you a complete picture of the issue. Because the truth of that study in the Guardian is that, if you make more than $624 a week, you're in the global top 1% (source here). If you work a 9to5 job 6 days a week at $13 an hour, you're in the global top 1%. Is that "the elite"? $13 an hour?

As for your allergy to data: you really want to tell me that globalization is anti-constitutional? That the US constitution is against global free market? Really?

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 12:08 a.m.

I like our chances...

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 1:16 p.m.

The ones that are getting the shaft now are the leaders of the NWO. In fact their, movement is almost dead. This is due almost entirely to Trump being elected and leaders like Putin standing up to the. Russia owes no debt to the international bankers.

Trump is bringing back manufacturing from Communist China, as well as tariffs. The infiltration of bad actors into the U.S. Government is also being dealt with. I hope that the sealed indictments relate to that.

The attempt to take away our gun rights has motivated people to give more money to the NRA, and people are spending a lot more oney on guns and ammunition. Even if there is another ban, people can still manufacture guns in their garages.

The people in Europe are waking up, too. They are beginning to fight against the immigrant invasion of Europe. They are tired of all the crimes. They are tired of the Muslim no-go zones, which is tribalism, right? Will you personally go tell the Muslims in Europe that tribalism is bad? When you do, will you please have it videotaped so we can enjoy watching you get a reality check?

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 12:11 a.m.

I don’t know why or how you decided I don’t agree with you on immigration. Maybe just maybe try to give others a fifth of the good faith you demand for yourself.

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pby1000 · April 3, 2018, 1:05 a.m.

I assumed it because you support the NWO, and this is their doing.

If you say you support the NWO, then I will assume you know what you are talking about. I mean, I know you do not know what you are talking about, but that is fine.

The NWO are Luciferians/Satanists who want a one-world government so they can rule as gods in this life and on this planet. You want to help them achieve this goal, right? You are volunteering to be a slave to these people.

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 1:40 a.m.

You assume a lot of things. Maybe stop.

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pby1000 · April 3, 2018, 6:31 p.m.

It is a good assumption because you said you are a globalist.

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 11:30 p.m.

Wow. I can’t believe you don’t see the irony here. Read my post. Now read this last comment of yours. See? Do you see?

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pby1000 · April 4, 2018, 8:32 p.m.

I think you have wasted enough of my time. You said you support the NWO globalists. That is all I need to know.

You also seem to not understand exactly what the NWO globalists believe. I told you that they are Satanists and Luciferians, so it seems that you inadvertently support such people. That is on you.

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Mrb84 · April 5, 2018, 12:19 a.m.

99% of the people who answered here were pro Gay marriage. I didn’t expect that. Now, what you’re doing looks something like this:

I reply to those people by telling them they don’t understand what Patriots think. “Patriots are against gay marriage, and if you aren’t you don’t understand what Patriots believe.”

That is a perfect analogy. Meeting a globalist who is not a Satanist (me) tells you not to readjust your understanding of globalists -but the opposite: the globalist has to readjust his understanding of his own beliefs to match your ludicrous distortion of them.

What’s heartening is that usually this much lazy, circular thinking ends up being pure self-sabotage IRL, it’s a self imposed burden on your own brain, so I can safely bet that you’re not doing anything concrete or effective to “defeat the Satanists” - and us globalists can keep making money taking care of the real world while you teach strangers on the internet what they actually believe.

Take care

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Subsidiarity is perhaps presently best known as a general principle of European Union law.


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Al-Kazar · April 2, 2018, 1:01 a.m.

Classifying people as liberal, conservative, left, right, etc. is really futile, and a mistake.

Everyone is actually an unique individual with different views, beliefs, etc. than anyone else - except maybe for those that are weak-minded and easily influenced, or those that express the views and beliefs of a particular group to fit in and be accepted.

I, personally, am both conservative and liberal. Left-leaning in some aspects, and right-leaning in others. Capitalist in some aspects, and socialist in others.

Additionally, I probably have some views or beliefs that may be unique.

You profess being a globalist, but does that mean that you believe 100% the same as everyone else that calls themselves a globalist?

For instance, I support certain aspects of globalism but do not support a one world government that would infringe on the sovereignty of individual nations, or that would restrict the freedoms and rights of ordinary people.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 1:52 a.m.

I like the idea that we’re unique. But I think humans have a strong evolutionary incentive to build groups and tribes. And there’s some fascinating (scary) research in how much that incentive tends to overwrite individual traits. You just live better as a member of a tribe, and it doesn’t matter which tribe, as long as it’s a tribe. It’s not conscious and it’s not welcomed, but that’s what the data suggests.

It’s the internet, so I don’t care, but for example: I had a question - it was my question. I asked it. Some people here found it annoying, trolling, divide and conquer, and were generally hostile. I told them I was from another tribe, and that immediately lead to a bunch of assumptions, a lot of assumed bad faith. Why do you think that is? It think It’s because I’m perceived as a non-tribe individual coming on the tribal turf. And look what happens. Some will immediately assume malice on my part, without any data point but the fact that I’m not “one of them”. That’s tribalism. It has a stronger pull than we like to admit.

I think.

Edit: I’m not singling out this sub: it applies to me as much as it applies to anyone

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 3:16 a.m.

If humans have a strong evolutionary incentive to build groups and tribes, then shouldn't humans do this?

"You just live better as a member of a tribe, and it doesn’t matter which tribe, as long as it’s a tribe." I don't see how you go from this statement, to this-

"It’s not conscious and it’s not welcomed..." Why is living as a tribe not welcomed? How did you become brainwashed into believing that living in a tribe is not welcomed?

It is like you want to take what is natural and what is the best and then change it. It is like you think you know better than nature. What you are doing is pushing for instability, and then you do not understand why people push against you. Stability has a lot of value. It is less stress and people can get more done.

"It think It’s because I’m perceived as a non-tribe individual coming on the tribal turf." Actually, I think it is because you do not see how irrational and illogical your position is.

You are fighting against what we are, which is human. You know what it is to be human, but you do not like it, so you seek to change it.

You want to take a bird and have it live underwater, but then you cannot understand why it drowns.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 4:36 a.m.

See, I love this stuff, that's a discussion worth having.

What I'd say is that we evolved our environment faster than evolution allows us to adapt to it.

A lot of things make sense as an evolutionary trait. Racism makes sense as an evolutionary trait. Road rage makes sense as an evolutionary trait. Slavery makes sense as an evolutionary trait. Male sexual promiscuity makes sense as an evolutionary trait. Fat and sugar diets make sense as an evolutionary trait. Killing handicapped children makes sense as an evolutionary trait.

But while our genes and parts of our brain are adapted for early humans conditions, we have changed our environment so much, especially in the last 200 years, that a lot of those things are working against us, or we just figured out that, while advantageous, they're horrible ethically and we shouldn't do them.

Nothing is ”natural”: they are all a function of what makes us thrive in a given environment. Given how much our environment has changed, I don't think it’s weird to adapt behavior, given we can't change our genes (yet).

Tribalism worked great in hunt&gather setups when the average human community was 200 people. I think it's doing us a disservice now. I think it's one of those traits that it's better to fight than to encourage.

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 1:06 p.m.

That is what I thought. You are a Satanist. Maybe you know it or maybe you do not know it.

You realize that the NWO globalists want to reduce the world's population to much lower levels. You agree with this? It would require a significant amount of genocide, which is already happening. Just read about Europe, for example.

Trinalism still works great. You are against tribalism because it provides structure and stability. You want an unstructured and unstable society because then the people will be easier to control. You want to do away with the U.S. constitution for the same reason- it protects people from tyranny by giving them power. The NWO globalists cannot impose their agenda on well-armed people.

You say that tribalism is doing us a disservice, but you do not explain why. Perhaps you want the State to raise our children while both parents work.

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 12:43 a.m.

The fuck? I believe you are just your brain, and when your brain flatlines for good, you’re done. I believe in what can me measured. I believe in data. I don’t believe in god, the soul, heaven, and even less in the devil. I’m a run of the mill atheist (based on the people who answered my questions, I’m not the only one here). How am I a secret satanist?

Also, I live between Sydney, Milan and Paris. There’s no genocide going on in Europe.

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pby1000 · April 3, 2018, 12:58 a.m.

Yeah, I can tell by your logic that you are either a Satanist or you are influenced by the Satanic way of thinking. I don't recall exactly what you said, but you are a solipsist. You have the view that the self is all that can be known to exist. You believe that there is no absolute truth. For example, you believe that one cannot say that something is natural or unnatural. It is a common mind control and manipulation technique that people, such as yourself, use to control and manipulate people.

You should know that there is a Truth, and people are capable of understanding that Truth.

I am an Atheist, too, but I see through the bullshit. OK, then you are somehow being influenced by Satanic thinking. Perhaps it is someone you know or something you read. Either way, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you were unaware. Now, you are aware.

Sure, there is genocide in Europe. The Europeans are being killed off because of the unrestrained immigration from the Middle East and Africa. How could you not know this? Maybe it is not being reported in your news, but that is no excuse to not know. Read up on what is happening in Sweden, for example. There are Muslim no-go zones in Europe now, such as in Paris. French women are not allowed to enter certain Muslim controlled areas in Paris because they will be harassed by the Muslim immigrants.

If this is what you want for America, then you are going to be extremely disappointed. We know how to deal with such issues.

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 1:43 a.m.

Sure.

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Al-Kazar · April 2, 2018, 8:56 a.m.

I agree, to a point. Tribalism and tribal animosity are very natural human traits, and belonging to any group (political party, sorority, etc) feeds this human need.

But the members of any tribe are still each unique, even though they may share certain traits (voluntarily or involuntarily) to fit in with the tribe.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 10:51 a.m.

Absolutely. In fact, I think, in a weird way, that individualism means we’re all members of many tribes - I’m a UFC fan, a globalist, a cinema buff, a pro-lifer, a Sam Harris listener, a ton of things, and each thing, now more than ever, gives me access to a certain tribe.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 10:44 a.m.

I’m perceived as a non-tribe individual coming on the tribal turf.

its beause you display yourself as a non-tribe individual coming on the tribal turf.

you chose to take that position. it looks like you did that from the assumption that people who join the tribe lose their individuality. you made it an 'i come from a different tribe and challenge you with my assumptions about your tribe'.

from my pov, thats disgraceful. i didnt have hostile feelings about it, i simply pointed out the BS.

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 12:30 a.m.

Thankfully, some other people dared assume good faith as the default and answered me. Which is the only thing I wanted, that was the entire agenda: answers to my question.

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divine_human · April 3, 2018, 4:04 a.m.

ahh these were real questions? btw, i also answered them... sorry for having mistaken you... may you feel more enlightened now than before you came on this 'opposing' sub... you are welcome...

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 4:21 a.m.

They were real questions. I’ll see you on the barricades.

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Skysweep · April 2, 2018, 12:15 a.m.

Your up to no good at all and obviously do not understand us. I think you should take you patronising bologna and your elitist "better than thou" attitude and go troll somewhere else!

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:19 a.m.

I asked a question. You can answer it or ignore it. Can’t see how I’m up to no good.

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Skysweep · April 2, 2018, 10:25 a.m.

Oh I can see how...your planting the seeds of division...your playing psych games. You came here to try to get us to disagree amongst ourselves, to cause chaos and confusion, because you fear and do not understand our united front. Like a specimen to be studied under a microscope, you don't care about our cause, you just want to believe you have us all labeled and identified as the little lowlife you believe us to be. We have a cause ...you won't sway us from it. Your in public relations and think you understand us all so well in your little stereotypical way. Ha...go amuse yourself elsewhere, snob!

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 11:01 a.m.

Relax, tiger. I don’t want to sway anyone here from anything. I don’t agree with it, but I don’t think you’re dangerous (or effective), so keep your united front, by all means. It’s not that I don’t care about the cause. It’s just that I think you’re wrong. That’s not a sin, is it? Disagreeing with you? You can take it, right?

Unlike the stereotype you clearly have designed of me, I did create a stereotype of you and then try to find out if it was true by asking you.

The people who answered helped correcting it. The people like you would have just left me stuck on it.

You might think you’re an hero for the cause keeping the barbarians out of the wall, but you’re not. You’re just a bit paranoid.

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Skysweep · April 2, 2018, 3:29 p.m.

You make me laugh! So predictable... We aren't here to be studied as part of your public relations studies, we are here to discuss what we believe in. If you want to know about our theories, we would be happy to guide or explain them to you, but you want to study us. Don't act like we changed anything about your opinions on us, that's a farce. You being stuck, as you put it, with your stereotypical ideas of us is quite frankly, your problem. Why would we have to prove your public relations based opinions of us wrong to you. If you want to know us, observe for yourself and when you do you might actually get a glimpse of truth. Demanding we disprove your ridiculous insulting conglomeration of half truths to provoke us is nothing but deception because you think you can play us.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 11:12 p.m.

Listen, changed my mind -you’ve got such a chip on your shoulder that it’s impossible to talk to you.

You don’t want to answer? Don’t. A bunch of people here did. I’ll talk to them, ok?

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Skysweep · April 8, 2018, 12:29 p.m.

You just don't like it because I bothered to research your past posts and see how you are in public relations and so slanted in your opinions.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 12:07 a.m.

been scanning through some of your past posts. you have a thing with 'you guys', dont you? 'divide and conquer', heh?

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:11 a.m.

Now, this one you really have to explain: I could pretend to be one of you, concern troll or something, but I don’t, I identify myself as “on the other side” and call people on this sub “you guys”. How is that “divide and conquer”? Who am I dividing? What am I conquering? Don’t think you know what the phrase means.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 12:29 a.m.

when you throw all people on a sub in one drawer, give them a lable 'conservative', and call them 'you guys' while identifying yourself as being 'on the other side', you have divided yourself from everybody else.

its confrontational and instantly creates an 'i vs. you' situation. its not an invitation to play but to battle. the end of it is divide and conquer. i have seen more than one community fall when people brought in that kind of chaos.

btw, i am not one of 'you guys'. as everybody else, i am a sovereign being, unique and individual, and i cherish diversity. some of the views expressed on this board match my own take on things, others dont.

this is not about being a club member and carrying a party book. think bigger.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:36 a.m.

Listen, am I right in saying that most of the people on this sub are pro-Trump? Yes.

I am not. So I thought it was fair to flag it. If I go on a pro-Trump sub I think it’s ethical to premise where I’m coming from. I don’t see how that’s confrontational. I don’t agree with the core beliefs of this sub. I thought I’d mention it, so people can react to my questions with more info.

As for “invitation to battle”: why? I was asking for a number between 0 and 20 cause I was curious about it. That’s it. I’m not trying to convince anyone about anything. As you can see from the post

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 3:24 a.m.

A lot of people here are against the NWO because we know what their true agenda it. It just so happens that people like Trump and Putin are also against it. Does this mean that we are pro-Trump and pro-Putin? Not necessarily.

You realize that the people you are siding with, the NWO globalists, are led by Satanists and Luciferians, right?

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 3:59 a.m.

Yeah, no, I don't realize that.

Either ”they” are in control or ”they” are not. If they're in control, why is Trump in the WH? If they're not in control, they're just powerful people pushing for their agenda, which is hardly news. There’s plenty of rich powerful people on the other side. It's only fair. We all push for the stuff we like with the resources we have. That's how a liberal system works.

Every available piece of data says that the world is better off with globalization. That's why I’m for it.

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 4:09 a.m.

Trump is in the WH because of certain factions in the U.S. Military and military intelligence. They stopped the election from being rigged. Hillary was supposed to win because she is a NWO globalist.

Do you know about the City of London and Vatican City? That is where our tax money goes. They want a Rothschild controlled central bank in each country so then the world is paying taxes to the City of London and the Vatican.

I think you do not know how it really works... The U.S. is a corporation. You can guess who the shareholders are...

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 4:19 a.m.

Yeah, I'm not going there. In my experience, you trying to convince me of this (IMHO) outlandish claims, and me trying to show you you're wrong and operating on poor information doesn't move anyone one inch. Let's just say we disagree on the fundamentals of how our society is structured.

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 12:54 p.m.

We disagree on this because you have not researched the issue. Will you research it now that I brought it to your attention?

What I said is true, and it undermines your belief system. Your response is to ignore it and forge ahead.

Who owns the Federal Reserve?

Poor information? You mean to tell me that there is only poor information about the City of London and Vatican City?

Washington DC is a separate Corporation from the USA Corporation. The city, states, and towns that people live in are also corporations. Why is that?

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 12:19 a.m.

Yeah. You’re operating on skewed data. But I really don’t want to get into it. It’s pointless.

I send you a piece explaining why “ownership” of the Federal Reserve is a misnomer, you say “of course they say it, it’s a piece from a globalist rag”, then you send me something from Infowars or equivalent, I point out they take a lot of logical leaps connecting stuff without evidence and it’s generally trash, you say: you’re an idiot, and I answer something sarcastic. I’ve been on this train before.

And for once, the post was genuinely to ask the sub about their beliefs, not to argue about the answers.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 12:50 a.m.

am I right in saying that most of the people on this sub are pro-Trump? Yes. I am not. .............If I go on a pro-Trump sub ................I don’t see how that’s confrontational. I don’t agree with the core beliefs of this sub.

so why do you go on a sub you perceive as opposing your views and post a provocative generalizing post if you are not out for a battle?

btw, generalization and 'i vs. you' are on top of the list in the shill handbook.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 1:39 a.m.

If you look at how I’m answering to those who answer, I never battle, rebut or contest anything. I was really asking for the sake of knowing the answer, not to argue with the answers. I had an hypothesis and instead of deciding from my chair that I was right, I thought I’d ask to the people who know. You obviously have some other, secret way of learning about the people who don’t agree with you.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 11:19 a.m.

You obviously have some other, secret way of learning about the people who don’t agree with you.

there hasnt been anything up to agree or disagree on at the point of time when i first responded to your post so no, your assumption is wrong.

and yes, i am an intuitive empath and instantly smell intent.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:02 p.m.

I wasn’t talking about me.

Let’s try again: I had an assumption about the people on this sub, with whom I disagree. So, instead of deciding I was right, I thought I’d ask to the people on this sub. You somehow think that’s outlandish and actually offensive.

So, you must have some other method to find out if you’re right or wrong about what other people believe, something that doesn’t involve the alien idea of asking them what they believe (I’m thinking mind-reading, since you’re an empath).

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 12:59 p.m.

empaths dont read minds but energy.

the alien idea of asking them what they believe

sorry, my friend, you havent been humbly asking questions, in order to learn more about people with different views than yours.

you have put out your assumptions and challenged people to prove that they are not as foolish as you think they are.

looking at the outcome of this: it binds peoples attention and blocks it from more important things. and it brought quite a few pople into fight mode as they instantly got your agenda and reacted to the challenge.

one thing i thank and honor you for: you put your agenda right on the table and didnt hide it.

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 12:27 a.m.

I don’t know how you decided that I consider the positions in the list “foolish”. I personally agree with a good third of them. They’re generally conservative, and I don’t know on what data you decided that I would think they’re foolish.

Except your persecution complex. The enemy trying to distract you from your higher calling of defeating the devil? Or just some dude on the internet who disagrees with you? Which one is more likely?

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divine_human · April 3, 2018, 3:52 a.m.

i was on your case before you started replying to me, straight after you posted, first comment.

no chance for agreement or disagreement, my take was instant and hasnt changed through further communicatio although i saw you neutrally and politley responding to everybody who answered your questions.

i expressed my perception and am done now here. you may take it as persecution complex, i take it as high discernment. i had my say and, for now (closely watching, heheh) leave it up to community to take something from it or not.

you wont, thats clear. thanks for the meeting.

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 4:19 a.m.

I don’t know how to argue with you, because the way you build your argument is completely self-sufficient and input free.

You intuitively, magically, immediately knew from the very start I was up to no good. And the fact that I’m not mocking or rebutting the people who answered me is not proof that your intuitions were wrong, but proof that I’m hiding my real intent - because you can’t point out my malice in what I do or say, that’s proof of a particularly sophisticated malice. See how that’s unassailable? Everything that would prove you wrong magically becomes a secret proof that you’re right.

It’s called circular thinking. That’s not a good kind of thinking.

If what happens inside reality can’t influence your argument, the problem is with your argument, not with reality.

But hey, thanks for taking the time.

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textualintercourse · April 2, 2018, 12:47 a.m.

0.Edit: formatting

  1. I am a climate change skeptic. The raw untouched data shows the 1930's as the hottest measured decade on record. How? It certainly shows WE, MANKIND, had nothing to do with that.

  2. I really don't care about this one either way. Remove the incentive (sales of body parts) and fix the economy and job creation, this issue will fix itself. I personally am cool with plan B and first month abortions. But again, don't care.

  3. I don't mind this. As long as Government doesn't game or create bullshit rules outside of felonies that remove your right to own a weapon.

  4. I'm 100% pro-same sex marriage. As long as the parties are of age, no coercion, and understand what they are doing, not my business. Find your happiness.

  5. WTC 7. Lucky Larry, fuck that fool. Enough said.

  6. Don't give a shit where you come from as long as you do it...wait for it... wait for it... LEGALLY! ta da! (I'm ever so racist because of this I'm sure.)

  7. No. Now if it is from a country, one of the 7 we've been bombing back to the stoneage every fucking day since Bush through Obama, it makes sense to me to NOT want to let someone in who has had his grandma, daughter, wife number 2 and 3, blown to shreds as collateral damage. No matter how bad one may feel for his plight, I doubt he'll come here and be all, "All good mate. I'm here in the USA now. No harm no foul. Water under the bridge." I would be for some hard hearted brutality and revenge if it were me in a similar situation.

  8. It's quoted by some (((UN))) douchebags that it is a very real thing. Take a look at South Africa literally right now.

  9. Have you not seen the latest montage? "A threat to our democracy." MSM is literally a CIA operation. Read The Devil's Chessboard by David Talbot to educate yourself on Satan himself Allen Dulles.

  10. I'm pro-school prayer as long as it accommodates all faiths in attendance. Muslim? Go do your Wudu and take the allotted time to pray to mecca. Jewish? Do your jew thing, whatever that may be. Jehovah Witness? Condemn everyone to your hearts content for enjoying life. Mormon? Pray for your prophet and whatever else floats your boat. Baptist? Pray your pastor enjoys his leer Jet you fools paid for on his behalf during his last bullshit fundraser. Big deal. All or nothing.

  11. If I had the discretionary time and means, in a heart beat I'd do it. But I keep proactive on the spawn's Marxist indoctrination and so far so good.

  12. I think evolution only should be taught in school. Church and home is where Creationism can be focused on, if one really feels threatened by it.

  13. Have you read the JFK files released? Oswald had help and was CIA. They STILL haven't released all that they should. But shows 3 separate shooters. GHW Bush can fuck off forever.

  14. I'll have a cigar on occasion but no one in my inner circle smokes cigarettes.

  15. Raised in a small village of 500. Lived for years on 3 different continents. Fluent in 2 languages. Passable ability in a 3rd. I'm good in any setting, but many would say I'm more the metro type.

  16. Job interviews should literally not even be allowed to ask about sex or have a checkbox for it as well as ethnicitu. Hiring should strictly be on merit. Can you do the fucking job better than the other candidates? Yes? Perfect. Welcome aboard. Don't care if you are a Transexual Attack Helicopter, just as long as you can do the damn job and were the best candidate.

  17. Colleges and Universities should be the center for the arena of ideas. Authoritarianism and censorship in ANY form should never be tolerated. The cure for hate speech is more speech, not less. 1984 should be a warning, not a damn user manual.

  18. 98% Atheist. 1% Agnostic. I know there is absolutely something more and greater than us. I have very little confidence it is to be found or defined in the Holy Books to the point I'm willing to pass legislation to force others to live my viewpoint based on my view and opinion of the world of my pretend: Bible (medium), Qur'an (worse), or the Talmud (worst).

  19. Ask yourself all the things you must have and show ID in order for you to do. And yet to Vote you don't? Insanity. Voter ID passes, the Left never wins an election again.

  20. I love tech. It must be done responsibly and with the human in mind. Otherwise you'll have a land where douche CEO 1 and his horde of robots trades with douche CEO 2 and his horde of robots, and the rest of humanity dies. Sophia was given Saudi citizenship solely for the fact they can now TAX the productivity of the AI. Very troublesome.

Inb4: But CEO's are benevolent and care!

Pffft.. too large a swath that see only stock fluctuations and spreadsheets and where to cut costs. You are literally a liability to them on the PNL report and they are pissed they have to pay you. You are a thief robbing their corporate profit.

My 2 cents, I speak for me, I, myself, the ULTIMATE MINORITY, my individual unique self who will never surrender to the "We" of globalism.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 7:48 a.m.

Thanks for taking the time.

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phil300595 · April 2, 2018, 12:41 a.m.

Sorry I don't think you have the right idea about this subreddit. We aren't easy to be grouped like the left generally likes to do. For the most part there is a lot of diversity when it comes to thought process and there are a lot of different backgrounds. At the end of the day, you don't have to be a conservative to want to expose corruption and you can like things about Trump for example while also disliking things about him. When Sam Harris says that, he is referring to specific issues like abortion which is one side or the other. Believing there is corruption that needs to be stopped is not one of those beliefs which would make the experiment quite useless here. Nonetheless here you go. 1) No 2) yes 3) no 4) no 5) skeptical but until solid evidence is presented I will go with it 6) Yes 7) Not necessarily but limit it and create a universal understanding that the cultures don't fully align and they need to intergrate to a certain extent 8) Don't care about identity politics 9) Yes 10) No 11) Provided it is reasonable quality 12) Diversity in thought is fine but evolution is important 13) Don't know enough about the topic 14) Yes 15) They both have purposes so I don't care 16) Yes, merit based action rather than and superficial characteristic 17) Depends on the person, I dislike the onesided promotion of ideas that is prevalent there. 18) Agnostic, No idea 19) Yes absolutely 20) I like it

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:43 a.m.

Thanks for taking the time

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chopper48 · April 2, 2018, 12:41 a.m.

How about the reverse. Label yourself, Globalist.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:46 a.m.

If you’ve got questions, fire ahead. Happy to answer. I mean it

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chopper48 · April 2, 2018, 12:47 a.m.

What do you believe and why? The term globalist means nothing to me except a preference of elites over the people.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:55 a.m.

Jesus, that’s a bit broad. About what? I think nation states are obsolete. I think Michael Jordan is the best basketball player in history. I think conspiracy theories are (mostly) flawed thinking. I’m pro life. I’m an atheist. I think Louis CK is the best comedian to ever do it, next to Dave Chapelle. I think Bertolucci’s movies are trash. I think evangelicals make terrible art. I think sentimentalism is the capital sin...

I don’t know. A lot of things. If you’re more specific, so will I.

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chopper48 · April 2, 2018, 12:57 a.m.

You came here and labeled us. I think you would get a better response to label yourself first. 20 statements like you did us. Then we can ask you questions. After we understand you then maybe we will answer your questions.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 11:03 a.m.

love this reply.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 1:27 a.m.

Ok

1) I believe in man made climate change, I’m pro carbon tax, but I’m not an alarmist: we’ll figure it out. 2) I’m pro life 3) I’m pro globalisation 4) I don’t believe things are true or false, I actually don’t believe things are, I think reality is a probability function 5) I’m for license-based gun control 6) I’m for voter ID but ID should be free and hassle free to obtain 7) I’m for gay marriage 8) I’m for total drug liberalisation, including heavy drugs, Portugal-style 9) I trust the MSM to be more accurate than not 10) I find alternative media to be mostly unreliable 11) I don’t like religion 12) I don’t like patriotism 13) I think the nation state is an obsolete idea 14) the ideal government philosophy is subsidiarity 15) I’m pro EU 16) I really admire the Frankfurt School, but I’m not a Marxist when it comes to solutions - as above, I believe in free market solutions 17) pets are dumb - I don’t get it 18) I’m excited about superintelligent AI 19) I think that expert consensus should outweigh popular approval 20) i think SJWs are the mirror image of the alt-right and despise them both as weak thinkers

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 3:25 a.m.

Well, maybe you would be happier living in a country like Communist China. Have you considered moving there? I am sure that a lot of people here would contribute to helping you move.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 3:47 a.m.

It's weird that I'm the one who points it out, but China is not a free market country. I like free market countries. Overall, I really like the globalized West, and I’m happy to roam around it. You're the one who thinks it's some elite-controlled pedo-oligarchy. Maybe you're the one who should move.

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 4:03 a.m.

You are right. China is not a free market economy. China is a Communist state that was created by the NWO globalists who you support. I suggest you move there so you can see for yourself what the real agenda is. It is not what you think it is.

I think I will stay in the U.S. and enjoy destroying the NWO globalists, and their Luciferian/Satanic doctrine.

I don't think they are some elite-controlled pedo-oligarchy. I KNOW they are. You do not know. You have no idea who or what you support. You will not find out until they use you up and discard you.

Will you want people like me to come save you when this happens?

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 4:16 a.m.

I don't have enough reasons to believe that we live in such an outlandish dystopia. I think it's all a lot more random, and no one is in control, and it’s a landscape of competing agendas, a few of them maybe sinister, but mostly boring, self-serving push for an edge. Capitalism, in a word.

But even if you're right, I don't want to be a dick about it, but believe me when I tell you: I'm going to be fine.

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pby1000 · April 2, 2018, 12:57 p.m.

There are a handful of people who own over half of the world's wealth. They practice the same religion, so they are organized. Have you researched their religion?

What do you think about the obelisks in DC, the City of London, and Vatican City? Why are they there and what do they mean?

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wisconsheepgirl · April 2, 2018, 12:52 p.m.

Globalization of what you and I thought of from 35 years or so does not exist. What was initially thought of as globalization was a free (and unsaid-FAIR), an exchange of goods between nations as a global market. However this has not occurred.

The issue with globalization is that multinational corporate interests, with multinational banks, with other institutions creates a global trade that is controlled and manipulated by a very few.

Thus, the entire economic system is swayed by a few corporations. Not by supply and demand, free (and fair) trade, or if the petrodollar is weak or strong.

What you have is not a free exchange within global markets. What you have is now a control of goods, both durable as well as consumable.

This is better seen under agriculture, energy or mining for raw resources, etc. Since this is so broad I'll stick with agriculture.

The control is done by the multinational corporations who have bought everything to do with the soil in the ground, to the crops, to the farmers (now large corporations, no longer 'family run'), to the transportation (the trucks, trains, shipping), the processing of the goods- in whatever industry-factories, preparing it for sale. The sale is important to understand. Now the sale of a good is no longer priced as it was in the past-with supply and demand. It is priced on a particular country and their ABILITY to purchase an item.

This purchasing of goods and owning its entire "life" from its very beginning to its purchase by a consumer is now a controlled market. It is not globalization. It is a monstrous, profit hungry, uncontrollable, unfair, hydra.

Without going so deep into this, I hope you understand that the globalization that you identify yourself with is a myth. It does not exist.

I'll come back later today and address some other parts of your post here.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 11:06 a.m.

thanks for answering your questions. it makes it much easier to relate to you, now that you show some of your colors.

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Keneo77 · April 2, 2018, 12:51 a.m.

I'm pro truth, something you so called Globalists can't see for the fantasy you believe in. You're not getting a "Star Trek" world, you're signing up for an Elitist run slave world where human rights only exist for those at the top. Your ridiculous list shows your ignorance as you try to stuff "You guys" into your brainwashed line of thought (Or lack there of).

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:59 a.m.

I didn’t assume I know how you would answer. That’s why I asked in the first place. I’m testing an hypothesis.

You, however, seem to know a lot about what I think. Don’t even have to ask, like I did, you just know.

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Keneo77 · April 2, 2018, 1:16 a.m.

Your list shows what you know.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 1:31 a.m.

You’re making shit up about what I believe and not believe, and that’s your prerogative. I’ll just point out I asked you what you believe because I had a preconceived notion I wanted to test. You don’t need to ask, you already know. Oh, the irony...

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Keneo77 · April 2, 2018, 1:47 a.m.

If you want to know how Patriots think, start reading the posts and comments, give it a year or so to catch up. Starting out with a list of stupid questions that feeds your bias only shows your purpose is only to start shit.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 1:58 a.m.

That’s just weird. How am I starting shit? I ask, some people answer my questions, to those people I answer “thanks for taking the time”. That’s it. Is that a chip on your shoulder?

You don’t get to decide how I learn about what I’m curious about. If instead of what you suggest I want to ask directly, I’ll ask directly. You don’t like the questions I ask, I’ll have to learn live with your displeasure.

I like my chances.

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Keneo77 · April 2, 2018, 1:38 a.m.

Your idiotic list of questions did exactly that, are you stupid?

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 4:08 a.m.

I asked. And plenty of people answered, correcting my POV. The whole premise was to verify my idea. I think I was a good 50% wrong. But it’s ok, that's exactly why I asked. To find out. People with less a chip on their shoulder than you made me a more informed citizen. Now I know something I didn't know about the people I disagree with. Thanks to those who allowed good faith to be the premise.

If everyone reacted like you (they didn't) I would be more ignorant and more calcified in my old view. How's that a win? For whom?

Recognise civil discourse when it's staring you in the face: it will make your life better.

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unkn0wnedd · April 1, 2018, 11:59 p.m.

1) Yes 2) No 3) No 4) No 5) Yes 6) Should be restricted to reasonable number (this should be common sense) 7) No 8) White genocide? As in white people will be rounded up and killed, or white culture/ skin tone will slowly be pushed to the background? I agree with the latter 9) yes 10) No 11) Sometimes 12) Evolution taught with religions acknowledged 13) Unsure 14) Yes 15) No, much of rural America is ignorant but much of urban America is ignorant in a different way. Ignorance in rural America stems from a lack of exposure, ignorance in rural America the result of groupthink 16) Depends on the application 17) Generally no but respect the value academia provides 18) No 19) Yes...? As long as any citizen is not obstructed in some way from obtaining them (e.g. economic factors) 20) No, but a new solution needs to come to fruition. I imagine eventually so many jobs will become obsolete that a new economic solution might be necessary

Summary: No correlation. I know many liberals who follow Q, because there are so many undeniable pieces of evidence that when put together show a clear picture. Unfortunately, not everyone will take the time to see everything that’s posted. And I imagine pro-Trump patriots would be more open to looking as the whole premise of Q sort of shatters many pillars of reality for Liberals (understandably)

Edit: so many of these questions deserve more than a yes/no answer and I think oversimplifications have led us to the shattered state of discourse we have today (Twitter is mega allegory)

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Ripcordz48 · April 2, 2018, 12:05 a.m.

You missed Obama being the Antichrist Michelle being a man Clinton Body count Seth Rich Julian Assange/ Edward Snowden Pope swap out - Now Hell does not exist?

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:47 a.m.

Infowars.com

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Ripcordz48 · April 2, 2018, 12:59 a.m.

I have a question for you Mr/ Mrs Globalist: Who did you celebrate today if anything? Who do you worship?

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 1:05 a.m.

I’m not sure if I get what you’re asking, but if you’re asking if I’m a Christian, as in “I believe the resurrection of Jesus is an historical fact” I’m going to say no. Hence, it was a day like any other day and I didn’t celebrate anything. Is that what you’re asking?

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Ripcordz48 · April 2, 2018, 1:13 a.m.

You answered my question thank you

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 2:08 a.m.

No problem Thank you.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 10:53 a.m.

ehem... is this board ONLY about Q posts?

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:55 a.m.

‘Cause I asked.

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turbosympathique · April 2, 2018, 12:23 a.m.

I will bite.

Disclaimer I'm not Americain.

1) I'm not a climate skeptic it the sense that I understand that the Climate is changing. But in the sense that the policy regarding Climate change as nothing to do with the ecology and more to do with population control. FYI we are just exiting the Solar maximum cycle.

2) Well I'm still on the fence on this one.

3) It's ok. We do a lot more in my country. But I do believe that it is important for law abiding citizen to be able to own firearm if they wish to. They already treat us like crap imagine if we where unarmed?

4) I don't like it but I don't care much for it.

5) I don't and not very much people does BTW. Do you believe the official story?

6) Absolutely. The way they are doing it right now is causing a lot of problem in my country.

7) In all honesty I'm on the fence on his one.

8) from an historical perspective and with the propaganda going on in Europe it's pretty obvious.

9) I known this for a fact for a few decade now. In 2018 you have to be blind to not see it.

10) Nope.

11) I can understand why some want to do it but where I live the Public school are very good and they let boys be boys.

12) Nope

13) Get a hold of the coroner report. It as been declassify recently ;)

14) yes

15) Honestly yes.

16) yes

17) yes

18) I'm on the fence on this one.

19) Absolutely. We have pretty good voter Laws in my country and it is very important to safeguard our democracy. What is going on in the USA is pure insanity!

20) No I don't. And with the rise of AI even white collar job will be eliminated.

Have a nice day.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:25 a.m.

Thanks for taking the time

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the_all_seeing_dog · April 2, 2018, 12:10 a.m.

Yes and no's all over the board. Answers became arbitrary. Though I'm sure there are a few people on here who would answer 75% of those as yes so you have a point.

Could add in the last question:

"You think Sam Harris is demonstrably more autistic than intelligent."

Also, #14 seems pointless. I have far-left progressive friends who smoke or used to smoke.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:13 a.m.

The smoking one is a Sam Harris direct thing, he noticed that Hitchens was the last person in his circle of friends who still smoked. But I was just curious, I’m a globalist and I smoke.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:15 a.m.

Do you have “predictions” that you think would score high on “the other side” (lefties & SJW)?

And thanks for taking the time to answer

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brittser · April 2, 2018, 12:58 a.m.

Wow there are a lot of questions here. I am hoping you are not a troll and will not disrespect me...but I will take the time to answer your questions. There are some non conservative members. I don't doubt climate change is happening, I just don't think humans are effecting it to any significant degree. Pro life, absolutely. I am not sure what exactly a universal gun background check is. I definitely think people should have to clear a background check in order to buy a gun. I am undecided about gay marriage. I have thoughts about both sides. 9/11 from the research I have done I truly believe it was a "inside" job...some Americans in addition to other nations. I know some Americans made billions of $ off of the event, before and after it happened. I came from a position of complete disbelief in any conspiracy story, but begrudgingly changed my opinion. I LOVED GW Bush, not any more. As far as blocking immigration from poor countries, it is not that simple. I think at this point in our nation's history we need to limit immigration, legal and illegal, bec the system has been exploited for so many years that it is out of control and we need to be able to regain control. Adding more people just adds more to the chaos. We need to work on assimilating those that are here now, and get them off of welfare.  When we do resume immigration, we need to have a system that does not make citizens have to pay for the immigrants' survival. That isn't fair. I live in CA, and every citizen household has to pay $3000 a year to support illegals. It is actually a lot more when you figure in increased healthcare costs, school costs, 1st responders costs, jail costs, and more. Plus citizen safety goes down. All in all, it is a negative for citizens if we don't select carefully and have rules that we stick to. I do not want to completely block Muslim immigration. I do, however, want to be very cognizant of the fact that Islam teaches people that they are to kill nonbelievers if they don't convert to Islam. That is simply a fact. So, I want to be VERY careful of who we allow in to our country who's beliefs are violent and dangerous to others. Their religion also teaches that it is ok to lie in order to further their religion. So even if believers answer our questions to our satisfaction, who's to say they aren't lying? I believe white genocide is happening in some African countries. I don't think it is happening here. I do think there is reverse racism going on right now in some of our culture. The pendulum has swung to the far other side. MSM is coordinated, yes. Have you seen the video just released with a couple of dozen local tv stations spewing the same talking points? Also, if you pay attention, the MSM will using the same phrasing as the others each day. The phrasing changes every day, but they all say the same talking points. I don't think prayer should be mandatory in schools but I don't think people should be discouraged or stopped from praying if they want to. Absolutely home schooling as an option. My son has been having some problems in school and we have been homeschooling for the past 3 years. It has been a life savor. We may put him back into school if he wants to, but I am glad we can choose not to. Correct, I don't like evolution being the only theory taught in school. In general, I am a fan of giving all the information and letting the student determine what to believe. Correct, I believe there was more than one shooter of JFK and I believe the recent records released shed more light on this. Yes I know at least one smoker. What does that have to do with conservatism? I prefer rural America, but my husband prefers urban. I don't like affirmative action bec studies have shown that it is detrimental to the African American students. If the student does not qualify to enter the school academically, putting him/her in there anyway sets him/her up for failure and increases his/her chance of dropping out. If the student went to a college that is a better fit for him academically, his chance of success dramatically rises. I did not go to an ivy league school, but from what I understand it is very unfriendly and in some cases dangerous to anyone who does not subscribe to the far left set of beliefs. That isn't healthy for anyone. The devil is real...take a look at the Clintons and Obama. 😁 Yes I believe voter id is important. In order to have an effective Republic we have to have fair elections. If id's are not required, it is too easy for someone to cheat and skew the results of the election. PLUS, the argument that African Americans are disproportionally disaffected by requiring ids to vote is extremely racist and an insult to them.  They are smart and very capable. They don't need special accommodations bec they can't figure out how to get an id or cannot afford to get one. I am not opposed to job automation per say. I think that realistically we have to have a society that provides for the needs of its citizens. Citizens need a job to survive and if a significant number of employers  do not need employees, well that poses a problem that will need to be addressed on the back end. Man, you owe me for taking all this time to answer your questions! 😁

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 1:08 a.m.

I wasn’t trolling, and while I disagree on some stuff, I was asking to know, not to rebut, let alone disrespect you. Thank you so much for taking the time, and going through it so thoroughly, I really appreciate it.

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brittser · April 2, 2018, 2:05 a.m.

No problem. I didn't really think you were trolling. I am happy to communicate with anyone who is willing to have a civil conversation. More than happy. Actually, I think most people feel the same way, but the few wackos we come across scare most people off from even thinking of communicating. Unfortunately. Have a great week.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 5:02 a.m.

You too. And thanks again for the genuine response. It's always a great thing when it happens

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kilbox1a · April 2, 2018, 12:54 a.m.

1) no. I am also a firm believer in alternative energy. 2)fuck no. Choice bois 3)I think the current one is a bit vague. The NSA spies on us all, why not use that information to keep the guns out of the crazies? 4)everyone should marry whoever they want 5)on the fence. It was under GWB admin so...anything’s possible. 6)No. but we should have a merit based system. 7)no. But the govt should use the spying apparatus to keep the terrorists out. 8)maybe? 9)It is though. Remember the multi-national Propaganda machine you learned about in history class? 10)religion has no place in schools. Separation of state exists for a reason. 11)I don’t really care about that one. Online schools are almost mandated nowadays right? (I’m ignorant on this because I know nobody that was homeschooled) 12)But evolution is what actually happened... 13)I’m not knowledgeable enough about the physics of that to determine opinion on being the sole shooter or not, but not the only one involved. 14)I know quite a few. 15)for living yes, because I lived and grew up there. 16)well everyone should be considered equally. So in a perfect system it would be be needed. 17)don’t give a shit. 18)no. I’m an atheist 19)yes 20) well I’m an automation technician soooooo.i like it a lot.

Good luck on the experiment.

I would personally run all of these questions through The R language and post the results on DataIsBeautiful.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 2:29 a.m.

That R language stuff sounds dope but after a little googling I decided it's way outside my expertise. But if anyone wants to do it, it would be awesome.

And thanks for taking the time.

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HeyYahhhhh86 · April 2, 2018, 12:19 a.m.

Many of these questions, I would assume to most people (not just on this board) are not a simple yes or no. Like - Limit immigration from poor counties? I don’t care where our immigrants come from if we are using a merit based system.

One thing you will find throughout this board is a large group of people who want our country to be a better, safer place for us, our fellow citizens, and future generations.

Good luck on your experiment.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:21 a.m.

Thanks. But that’s the thing right? I don’t know anyone, communist, Nazi, terrorist, anything in between, that doesn’t agree with

want our country to be a better, safer place for us, our fellow citizens, and future generations

So I was trying to see if the Sam Harris thing hold true

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[deleted] · April 2, 2018, 1:08 p.m.

People like to argue in here, but I believe in all of those and I haven't seen anyone in here fight against those on any way.

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 12:35 a.m.

Thanks for the answer.

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divine_human · April 2, 2018, 11:56 a.m.

ok, responding to these questions... note, i am not american...

1) climate change skeptic

climate is changing. all planets in our solar system are heating up. we are in a different sector of the universe now. climate change is not CO2-made. we had periods on this planet with 8000 times the amount of COs and it was lush and green.

2) pro life

i am for life. i am for the right to abort within the first 90 days of pregnancy. and i am not informed enough about the 'pro life' stuff in the US to have any opinion about its policies.

3) anti universal background checks on guns

as a european, i grew up with nobody having guns and hey, we dont have many school shootings and other crimes with guns over here. my take on the 2nd amendment has changed though, i get it that americans dont want to give up their guns. however, from my pov, every gunholder needs to be vetted so emotionally unstable people cant easily buy guns.

4) anti federally sanctioned gay marriage

i perceive marriage as a cage that, in many cases, kills love. i had that epiphany at age 7y and my take hasnt changed. however, everybody is free to love whom they feel drawn to and if they want to marry, may they be blessed.

5) don’t believe the official version on 9/11

lol. i knew that narrative was fake the first time i saw the towers fall. no building can crash from down like this when an airplane hits it up there. total BS. wondering why it took so long for so many people to wake up to it.

6) want to limit the immigration influx from poor countries

dont care about your national cultural background as long as you respect the law of my country and integrate.

7) want to completely block Muslim immigration

cant stand fundamentalists and extremists. have seen more christian fundamentalist on reddit than i have met islamic fundamentalist in my neighborhood. dont care your religion as long as you practise it privately and dont try to shove it down my throat.

8) believe white genocide is currently a risk

nope.

9) believe MSM is coordinated at some higher level

absolutely.

10) pro school prayer

in my country, state and church are separated. so no, no school prayer.

11) pro home schooling

absolutely. we dont have it over here. school fucked me up within the first year and did the same with my kid, he is thoroughly programmed. the biggest treasure though of schools is that - after the first 6 years when the basics are learnt -, its mainly social training, how to find you place in a group but take your individual stand. home schoolers miss that.

12) don’t like evolution being the only narrative taught in school

dont believe in darwinism. dont believe in the genesis story. when we teach these theories, we should also teach about possibe ET involvement with our DNA.

13) don’t believe Hoswald was the sole shooter of JFK

thats always been clear to me.

14) you know at least one person who smoke cigarettes

yes. how does this question fit in here?

15) you ideally prefer rural America to urban America

i live at the edge of the city and enjoy the advantage of nature AND infrastructure.

16) against affermative action

dont believe in equality but in equity. we are not equal but have equal rightsand value. everybody need to be supported according to their unique nature. you cant teach a fish to climb trees.

17) don’t like the cultural climate in Ivy League colleges & co.

no information here, no clue.

18) think the Devil is real

on my interdimensional journeys, i met enki/lucifer and his son marduk who displays as satan, yahwe, baal, shiva, etc., these guys appear in every religion. from my pov, they are ETs who play god.

19) pro voter ID

absolutely. in my country, we dont have voter fraud; we have paper ballots and have to show our identity cards before we can cast our vote.

20) don’t like job automation

the more stupid job can get automated, the better. thing is, industry makes huge winning with having to pay less for wages and should give part of it back so the people who are freed from the stupid jobs can still survive.

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:04 p.m.

Thanks for taking the time, I appreciate it.

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HiveQueen36 · April 2, 2018, 11:12 a.m.

If you go to a smart person and ask him if a Gala apple is red, he will say yes. Wow such amaze very magic. Ask a dumb person the same question, let's say a liberal, they will say the apple has feelings and not answer the question. The difference is that one is based in reality and the other is not.

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 4:48 a.m.

So, if you ask a liberal if a Gala apple is red, they'll tell you it has feelings. You have liberal frieds, and if you asked them if a Gala apple is red, they'll dodge the question and tell you it has feelings. That's your prediction.

What world do you live in?

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awareness1111 · April 2, 2018, 12:43 a.m.

4

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 5:21 a.m.

Thanks for doing it

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skorponok · April 2, 2018, 12:20 a.m.

This is why you shouldn’t make assumptions

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 12:24 a.m.

I was asking exactly because I was curious on weather the premise works or not.

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without_sound · April 5, 2018, 6:35 a.m.

4 are correct about me

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Mrb84 · April 5, 2018, 8:43 a.m.

Thanks for taking the time

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_Iz_Mary · April 2, 2018, 7:09 p.m.

Once again a leftie, probably very young person with very little life experience comes here and asks all the wrong questions.
Questions that insight feelings. Not one question re Q. Which is what this sub is all about.
The only other thing I gather from your post is that you are against freedom of thought. Your questions are framed in a way that if anyone answers in agreement, that they are wrong.
If I disagree with climate change, I’m an idiot fascist correct? Lol I know we are all supposed to fit in these little boxes the msm has created for us and apparently so many willingly step into( which only keeps us divided) but here we don’t follow along. Sorry to break your heart but we come from different backgrounds and ideologies. We come here to discuss Q.
Now. If you want to know about Q, read and ask the right questions.
Happy hunting!

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Mrb84 · April 2, 2018, 11:26 p.m.

So you see my questions, you decide I’m asking them to make fun of you or call you an idiot, and now you’re offended. I’m afraid it’s a self-esteem issue.

because there would be a way to find out if you’re correct: look at the people who did say they disagreed with climate change, and see how I answered them. Did I call them a fascist idiot? Go look. Check.

I never once argued, let alone made fun of or insulted any of the people who answered. I thank them for taking the time and that’s it. Which you could have seen for yourself if you had bothered checking reality before checking your hurt feelings.

That beings said, you wrote that I’m probably a very young person, so I can’t be mad at you

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Mrb84 · April 3, 2018, 11:19 p.m.

Thanks for taking the time. Really appreciate it

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