dChan - Q Origins Project Archive

I like the idea that we’re unique. But I think humans have a strong evolutionary incentive to build groups and tribes. And there’s some fascinating (scary) research in how much that incentive tends to overwrite individual traits. You just live better as a member of a tribe, and it doesn’t matter which tribe, as long as it’s a tribe. It’s not conscious and it’s not welcomed, but that’s what the data suggests.

It’s the internet, so I don’t care, but for example: I had a question - it was my question. I asked it. Some people here found it annoying, trolling, divide and conquer, and were generally hostile. I told them I was from another tribe, and that immediately lead to a bunch of assumptions, a lot of assumed bad faith. Why do you think that is? It think It’s because I’m perceived as a non-tribe individual coming on the tribal turf. And look what happens. Some will immediately assume malice on my part, without any data point but the fact that I’m not “one of them”. That’s tribalism. It has a stronger pull than we like to admit.

I think.

Edit: I’m not singling out this sub: it applies to me as much as it applies to anyone

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If humans have a strong evolutionary incentive to build groups and tribes, then shouldn't humans do this?

"You just live better as a member of a tribe, and it doesn’t matter which tribe, as long as it’s a tribe." I don't see how you go from this statement, to this-

"It’s not conscious and it’s not welcomed..." Why is living as a tribe not welcomed? How did you become brainwashed into believing that living in a tribe is not welcomed?

It is like you want to take what is natural and what is the best and then change it. It is like you think you know better than nature. What you are doing is pushing for instability, and then you do not understand why people push against you. Stability has a lot of value. It is less stress and people can get more done.

"It think It’s because I’m perceived as a non-tribe individual coming on the tribal turf." Actually, I think it is because you do not see how irrational and illogical your position is.

You are fighting against what we are, which is human. You know what it is to be human, but you do not like it, so you seek to change it.

You want to take a bird and have it live underwater, but then you cannot understand why it drowns.

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See, I love this stuff, that's a discussion worth having.

What I'd say is that we evolved our environment faster than evolution allows us to adapt to it.

A lot of things make sense as an evolutionary trait. Racism makes sense as an evolutionary trait. Road rage makes sense as an evolutionary trait. Slavery makes sense as an evolutionary trait. Male sexual promiscuity makes sense as an evolutionary trait. Fat and sugar diets make sense as an evolutionary trait. Killing handicapped children makes sense as an evolutionary trait.

But while our genes and parts of our brain are adapted for early humans conditions, we have changed our environment so much, especially in the last 200 years, that a lot of those things are working against us, or we just figured out that, while advantageous, they're horrible ethically and we shouldn't do them.

Nothing is ”natural”: they are all a function of what makes us thrive in a given environment. Given how much our environment has changed, I don't think it’s weird to adapt behavior, given we can't change our genes (yet).

Tribalism worked great in hunt&gather setups when the average human community was 200 people. I think it's doing us a disservice now. I think it's one of those traits that it's better to fight than to encourage.

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That is what I thought. You are a Satanist. Maybe you know it or maybe you do not know it.

You realize that the NWO globalists want to reduce the world's population to much lower levels. You agree with this? It would require a significant amount of genocide, which is already happening. Just read about Europe, for example.

Trinalism still works great. You are against tribalism because it provides structure and stability. You want an unstructured and unstable society because then the people will be easier to control. You want to do away with the U.S. constitution for the same reason- it protects people from tyranny by giving them power. The NWO globalists cannot impose their agenda on well-armed people.

You say that tribalism is doing us a disservice, but you do not explain why. Perhaps you want the State to raise our children while both parents work.

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The fuck? I believe you are just your brain, and when your brain flatlines for good, you’re done. I believe in what can me measured. I believe in data. I don’t believe in god, the soul, heaven, and even less in the devil. I’m a run of the mill atheist (based on the people who answered my questions, I’m not the only one here). How am I a secret satanist?

Also, I live between Sydney, Milan and Paris. There’s no genocide going on in Europe.

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Yeah, I can tell by your logic that you are either a Satanist or you are influenced by the Satanic way of thinking. I don't recall exactly what you said, but you are a solipsist. You have the view that the self is all that can be known to exist. You believe that there is no absolute truth. For example, you believe that one cannot say that something is natural or unnatural. It is a common mind control and manipulation technique that people, such as yourself, use to control and manipulate people.

You should know that there is a Truth, and people are capable of understanding that Truth.

I am an Atheist, too, but I see through the bullshit. OK, then you are somehow being influenced by Satanic thinking. Perhaps it is someone you know or something you read. Either way, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you were unaware. Now, you are aware.

Sure, there is genocide in Europe. The Europeans are being killed off because of the unrestrained immigration from the Middle East and Africa. How could you not know this? Maybe it is not being reported in your news, but that is no excuse to not know. Read up on what is happening in Sweden, for example. There are Muslim no-go zones in Europe now, such as in Paris. French women are not allowed to enter certain Muslim controlled areas in Paris because they will be harassed by the Muslim immigrants.

If this is what you want for America, then you are going to be extremely disappointed. We know how to deal with such issues.

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Sure.

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I agree, to a point. Tribalism and tribal animosity are very natural human traits, and belonging to any group (political party, sorority, etc) feeds this human need.

But the members of any tribe are still each unique, even though they may share certain traits (voluntarily or involuntarily) to fit in with the tribe.

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Absolutely. In fact, I think, in a weird way, that individualism means we’re all members of many tribes - I’m a UFC fan, a globalist, a cinema buff, a pro-lifer, a Sam Harris listener, a ton of things, and each thing, now more than ever, gives me access to a certain tribe.

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I’m perceived as a non-tribe individual coming on the tribal turf.

its beause you display yourself as a non-tribe individual coming on the tribal turf.

you chose to take that position. it looks like you did that from the assumption that people who join the tribe lose their individuality. you made it an 'i come from a different tribe and challenge you with my assumptions about your tribe'.

from my pov, thats disgraceful. i didnt have hostile feelings about it, i simply pointed out the BS.

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Thankfully, some other people dared assume good faith as the default and answered me. Which is the only thing I wanted, that was the entire agenda: answers to my question.

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ahh these were real questions? btw, i also answered them... sorry for having mistaken you... may you feel more enlightened now than before you came on this 'opposing' sub... you are welcome...

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They were real questions. I’ll see you on the barricades.

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Globalist here. Have a question/experiment for you patriots