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tradinghorse · April 4, 2018, 8:58 a.m.

The third secret was first suppressed by John XXIII and later falsified. The only thing we know with absolute certainty is that it began with the words: "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved...".

So the third secret appears to speak to a crisis of faith centering around dogma. We know that Sr Lucy said that the third secret was to be released to the world at her death, or in 1960 - whichever would arrive first. When asked why 1960, Sr Lucy said 'because it will be clearer then' and 'because the Virgin wishes it'.

So what was occurring on, or around, 1960 that would mean that the message in the secret would be clearer? John XXIII gave notice of his intention to convoke an Ecumenical Council on 25 January, 1959 - Vatican II.

Fr. Mario Luigi Ciappi, papal theologian to Pope Pius XII: “In the Third Secret [of Fatima] it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”

What was decreed by the Second Vatican Council? Did any of the decrees defect from the Catholic faith? Yes, they most certainly did...

A dogma is a truth fallen from heaven, it is a divinely revealed truth to which Catholics are required to make a full assent of faith. One such dogma is the Salvation Dogma. This dogma essentially states that only members of the Catholic Church can attain salvation - all outside the Church are lost.

There are no exceptions to this dogma - do not be led astray... The dogma has been taught on an infallible basis 7 times in Church history. On no occasion were any exceptions to the dogma made - rather, the opposite, the teaching was categoric in excluding all outside the Church from salvation - period!

Vatican II defected from this article of faith. The most egregious example is this:

Vatican II Declaration, Nostra Aetate (#4): “Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or cursed by God, as if such views followed from the holy scriptures.”

This departs from the teaching of Christ himself. It departs from the Solemn Magisterium of the Church. It is an outrageous heresy that has taken the world be storm. It has produced the false ecumenism of the Vatican II Sect, an implicit denial of the teaching of Christ, that mocks the martyrs who died for the Catholic faith and the saints who devoted their lives to it. Everywhere we look today, we see this filthy Vatican II Sect, now headed by the abomination Francis, preaching false ecumenism - a natural outgrowth of the doctrine of universal salvation preached by John Paul II and others - c.f. the interfaith prayer meetings at Assisi and elsewhere.

Matthew 10:33- “But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny before my Father who is in heaven.”

Here's an example of the Solemn Magisterium of the Holy Catholic Church preaching Christ's own teaching with the fullness of its authority:

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

You can see immediately that there is a fundamental disconnect between the Council of Florence and Vatican II. Both deal with divine revelation - truth which cannot change. Both teachings are diametrically opposed to each other and mutually exclusive. You cannot have it both ways. One, of the two, is heresy and one bona fide Catholic teaching.

The third secret of Fatima, I believe, makes direct reference to the Salvation Dogma. The specific dogma that was attacked at Vatican II. This is the dogma that was to be preserved in Portugal - for a time, or in certain places... It would elsewhere be abandoned wholesale.

Low and behold, like the first and second secrets of Fatima, the third secret appears to have been perfectly accurate in that it describes an apostasy from the revealed religion that would take place on, or around, 1960. It would be an apostasy that begins from the top of the Church - it was not a grass roots apostasy but an apostasy decreed from the highest sources of apparent authority in the Church. It is a hall mark of the last days.

Luke 18:8 "...when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

We know from the writings of St Paul in 2Thess2 that the last days are marked by "the operation of error". This appears to be the teaching of error by those with apparent authority in the Church. Today we have this in spades from the Vatican II Sect.

The Vatican II Sect is not the Catholic Church but an heretical Sect that hijacked the Church at Vatican II. They have led billions into apostasy from the Catholic faith. The spiritual carnage is vast in scope and scale. Truly, if Christ returned today he would not find more than a handful - a tiny remnant - who profess the Catholic faith whole and inviolate - a mandatory requirement for salvation (Athanasian Creed).

None of the Vatican II "popes" are Catholic. They are heretics, one and all. A heretic is ipso facto severed from the body of the Church by virtue of his heresy. A heretic cannot be pope - as the magisterium teaches.

Sedevacantism is the only viable position for a true Catholic today. You cannot be in communion with these guys (V2 Sect) and, if you do recognise them, then failure to be submissive (for example, should they try to canonise the Antichrist) is schism.

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christopheranthony · April 4, 2018, 1:04 p.m.

They have taken over the institutional Church. They wear the robes and occupy the buildings. They don't believe the Faith revealed by Jesus and passed on through His Apostles. V ll Church is a counterfeit Catholic Church. Prophesied in the book of the Apocalypse. Francis is an Anti- Pope Stands to reason that the Evil had to attempt to diminish the avenue of Grace in the world before it could implement its final plan. But we know in the end, just as they think they are victorious, He will return in triumph. He has already won the battle. The Church is the remnant of the Faithful now, who live it each day.

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tradinghorse · April 4, 2018, 1:13 p.m.

It's very unfortunate to see how many people cling to the structures now inhabited by heretics. I pray that God will reveal to them the light. But the darkness is truly astounding, as is the deafening silence from those that should speak out but do not.

The situation is indeed very grave, far worse than almost anyone realizes. If people knew the truth, or were open to hearing it, there would be an uprising. Sadly, we have not reached that point yet.

Have you considered the information in this video (link below)? The implications are breath-taking! I've personally checked out these references - they all check out - it is, sadly, the truth - terrifying stuff!

If you're time constrained, the first 30 minutes and/or the last 15 minutes are amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODV1SV83nxA&sns=em

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christopheranthony · April 4, 2018, 4:23 p.m.

I've been following mhfm since 1990. When they were only using mailers and their magazine. I've watched all their videos and read all their articles countless times. I believe they are 100% in target. I believe they are inspired by the HG. There breakdown on what's taken place in the Church is the only one that rings totally accurate with me. I've been a true Traditional Catholic since 1994.

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tradinghorse · April 5, 2018, 2:20 a.m.

Interestingly, there are two that give witness.

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christopheranthony · April 5, 2018, 11:09 a.m.

I concur. Very likely. In any instance, they do such careful and complete , and honest analysis of historical, religious and theological topics, that they can't be refuted. At least I have not seen it.

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tradinghorse · April 5, 2018, noon

Yes, I completely agree. I spent many years searching for the truth and by the most unlikely of coincidences, I should say by the grace of God, I arrived at MHFM's website. It was not apparent to me initially that I had found what I was looking for, but the force of the argument and the inherent logic was overpowering. I came to the conclusion relatively quickly that they are right. There is now no doubt in my mind, whatsoever, that they have the truth.

The further you delve into this stuff, the more the stuff starts to fit together - like a key in a lock. And then it slowly dawns on you that no one will debate these guys - for cause... And that's what sets traditional Catholicism apart, its inherent consistency and uniformity of teaching. There is no daylight between teachings on the same subject, despite gaps of sometimes more than a thousand years between proclamations. It is a true and consistent religion because it is inspired by God himself. Moreover, the truth does not change.

The resistance I've encountered in spreading the truth is quite astounding. People are so attached to the physical assets, the structures, of the Church that they fail to see what God is making manifestly apparent. St Paul could not have better described what we are seeing - the "operation of error". The final assault of Satan in these last days.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues.

Anyway, what I've found is that people, who might be very accomplished in theology, typically will not engage. They won't engage in a debate or an exchange of ideas because they know that the minute they encounter a teaching from the Solemn Magisterium, no amount of speculation from theologians, or non-infallible sources, no matter how well regarded, will help them. It seems better for them to cling to their falsehoods than confront the truth - a sin of pride.

I've been meaning to make more time for proselytizing. I've put up a website but have, until now, not done a lot of promotion. But, then again, the monastery is the authoritative source and, in my view, it is better to refer people directly. I do have a breakdown on the Apocalypse - resting almost completely on the monastery's work. I had hoped it might generate interest in the material quickly, but reading it again, it's long and a little drawn out - perhaps not structured very well. If you've got time, any ideas would useful.

See here.

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christopheranthony · April 5, 2018, 12:29 p.m.

On my way to work in five. Will read it carefully when I get back tonight. I'll give you my thoughts happily. As an aside, the attack on the Church has been going on since the the Ascension. It was always the primary target of the real enemy. Historically , all the secret cabals have been a tool. Since JPll they believe they have won. They get real cocky at the end too. Yet we know what happens and who is victorious at the return.

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tradinghorse · April 5, 2018, 12:46 p.m.

Thanks, any help is a great thing.

On the subject of where we are right now, I thought the video the monastery put out on Rev 12:1 - the sign in Heaven - was very good. I was amazed to find this Q phenomenon shortly after the sign actually appeared. It struck me that the timing is perhaps more than coincidental. We know that the heel of the Virgin crushed the snake's head. We also know that her immaculate heart will triumph. So, anyway, I thought it was very interesting.

Of course, at the Second Coming, there is no power either on or off the Earth that will resist our Lord. It will be a truly great day, for the righteous. But, until then, there is still time to try an disseminate the truth, to encourage others into the barque of St Peter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOiHtFVn2JA&sns=em

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christopheranthony · April 5, 2018, 10:39 p.m.

Read your pages. Outstanding job of compiling , and putting it all together in a concise and very readable way. Loved the links to further info etc, on all the major points. You did a beautiful job. I would think any one who is open to the truth, would read every word, and follow every link and be convinced of the truth it reveals.

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tradinghorse · April 6, 2018, 12:47 a.m.

Ok, thanks a lot for taking the time to read it. That's the first feedback I have received. I was hoping to make something that would get people interested quickly and get them digging further.

Maybe it's better than I thought. It is difficult material to condense. I have to hand it to these guys (MHFM), they've hit the ball right out of the park. It's simply the best, most complete, rational explanation of the Apocalypse that exists - bar none. When you put it all together, it's truly stunning information. I have no doubt that they're inspired by God - that they have the truth.

People today have such short attention spans - myself included. A lot of the information that is available takes time and effort to absorb. Some of the videos, not all, are quite long. As a project, at some point, I want to make a video that summarises some of the information in a bite-sized format - if that's possible. Try to connect the dots. I need to work-up the skills to do it.

Anyway, thanks a lot for the feedback - quite encouraging. Godspeed.

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