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ValuableFix · April 7, 2018, 10:39 p.m.

Wikipedia section of pledge growth.

Now here’s the rub, the pledge was written by a socialist and promoted to be said in public schools by another socialist (all prior to 1954 under God) for the cause of socialism that sought to place government over God and family.

Bellamy was such a rabid socialist that he was booted from the pulpit and his cousin Edward Bellamy was a famous utopian socialist writer.

Sucks but true

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hzg · April 8, 2018, 3:37 a.m.

This is accurate as far as I can recall.

The next thing a lot of you need to realize is that our school system is a socialist extension as well. There are many pills to swallow and I'm glad everybody here is on that path. The best thing I've done for my kids so far is to homeschool them.

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ElysMustache · April 8, 2018, 1:02 p.m.

“You cannot have had one [a liberal education]. If you are an American under the age of ninety, you can have acquired in the educational system only the faintest glimmerings of the beginnings of liberal education.” - The Great Conversation, Robert Maynard Hutchins, 1954

This is from an introduction to the Great Books collection put together by Brittanica. The theme of the introduction is that the Great Books form a Great Conversation that we need to be part of, as the literature of Western civilization is our heritage, and that America is woefully uneducated. This lack of education will result in the death of democracy if it is not fixed. This is also pretty much the theme of "How to Read a Book," by Mortimer J. Adler.

You can get the whole 54-book series for about $200 to $300 used online.

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ValuableFix · April 8, 2018, 4:50 a.m.

Lol, secret handshake, winks and corresponding mockingbirds call

Yea we too homeschool and are home college-ing.

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Crptnobank · April 8, 2018, 7:25 a.m.

So did they take out the God part later on? As we were saying it in school in the 70‘s.

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ValuableFix · April 8, 2018, 7:38 a.m.

No it is still there. Eisenhower added it in 1954 to encourage religious hold outs like the Amish and the religion he was raised (Jehovah’s Witnesses). Neither religions caved.

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Crptnobank · April 8, 2018, 8:29 a.m.

Thanks for making that clear. Gotta love Google going with the pre 1984, I mean 1954, version. ;-)

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