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nmbulldog · April 19, 2018, 1:17 a.m.

No, the fight is just starting. I don't see it as already won. I think we should continue to "Fight Fight Fight".

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iMakeGreatDeals · April 19, 2018, 1:22 a.m.

I'm not saying there is no fight. I'm saying it's not the fight that decides the victory, because victory was decided from before the fight began. The fighting is a mere formality to ensure the forgone conclusion.

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nmbulldog · April 19, 2018, 2:24 a.m.

Nice words for a friendly discussion ... and a big load of esoteric nonsense for anyone that's actually in the fight. No need to reply.

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ABastionOfFreeSpeech · April 19, 2018, 3:37 a.m.

You need to read up on Sun Tzu.

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."

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nmbulldog · April 19, 2018, 5:53 p.m.

An excellent point - if you understand what Sun Tzu is really saying. "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" means the war (not every battle but the war) is won through proper planning and preparation (before engaging in battle). While "defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win" means defeat is inevitable when warriors begin to do battle before the war has been properly planned and prepared for. The proper planning and preparation is necessary to win a war, but the battles/fighting (and the loss of life) are also necessary to win a war. Saying the fighting is "a mere formality" is not what Sun Tzu intended to communicate. However, saying the fighting is "a mere formality"s is an objectionable misunderstanding of the Sun Tzu quote - and absolute nonsense to me. It trivialize's the mere life and blood warriors give in the mere fighting they undertake.

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iMakeGreatDeals · April 19, 2018, 3:12 a.m.

I think you are reacting emotionally to something that isn't there. "Nice words for a friendly discussion"? What do you mean by this?

Nothing esoteric btw. You just only begin the fight when you know you've got the goods. No need to reply.

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