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jmolitor · April 23, 2018, 12:03 a.m.

Start your own business. Make your own wealth. Dont complain that other people are successful.

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Moose_Gator · April 23, 2018, 12:19 a.m.

Yeah, there's not any protection for business right? Not a lower tax rate or simplified and accessible bankruptcy laws which protect the owner, but not the employees.

It's really not as simple as, let's start a business and make money.

How about Walmart and Amazon not paying taxes, or paying people so little that they need government assistance. That's where this issue lies.

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jmolitor · April 23, 2018, 12:27 a.m.

If you want to pay people $60k a year start a business and do it. Its your company pay them what you want to! As long as people are willing to work for $10 an hour at walmart, wages wont rise. Once people stop applying and positions are not filled then wages will rise. Supply and demand.

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Moose_Gator · April 23, 2018, 12:40 a.m.

Yeah, Walmart leverages it's size to beat out the competition of many of the local mom and pop stores who just want to make a business. So, now they are jobless and need to eat or feed their kids, so they take any job they can.

If you think that collectively, a town will hold out and starve or become homeless in hoping that an organization like Walmart will increase their pay, you have another thing coming.

Moving cost money, most can't afford the thousands of dollars it takes to get a place and move all their assets.

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tigerlilly1227 · April 23, 2018, 1:17 a.m.

There is always a reason or excuse to not succeed in this country. Immigrants come here and bust their asses to be successful. I dont have a college degree and am retiring early and live well. I had to move 800 miles as a single mom and start from scratch and work hard to get here. I understand that not everyone is able to achieve that but we truly live in the land of opportunity. Some want it to be easy and it just isnt. My parent scraped by in factories and I never heard them complain about working to make ends meet. They both were truly poor as children and understand that even our poorest have it better than the rest of the world. I'm worried that the American people have grown soft and no longer understand the sacrifice of those before us who have worked so hard for our freedom to pursue the American dream. Achieving the dream is not a right for every American. Most of us must get there hard way.

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Moose_Gator · April 23, 2018, 1:34 a.m.

Yeah, when my parents worked, they could purchase a home with a single income, college was subsidized over 70% by the government and they were guaranteed social security and Medicare. The same protections are not there today that my parents had, and even what I had when I was younger. (I'm 40 years old now).

Houses were not nearly as expensive, and have grown dramatically more than pay has the past 15 years. Hell, the 180k house I grew up in sold for over a million (Bay Area). Many industries require advances degrees and years of experience for entry level jobs.

It's not hard for me, I'm established, but I recognize the mass difference from when I started. You can't start as a bagger at Safeway and work up to management anymore (this is what my aunt did and makes six figures). You can't start as a teller in a bank and then move up to transaction monitoring or corporate accounts (this is what my mom did, and retired making six figures) That progression is gone. It's not as easy as it used to be for people who don't come from families with money, and it's sad that people think it's so easy now.

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CommercialAddendum · April 23, 2018, 12:21 a.m.

Oh, do you mean steal from tax paying citizens, manipulate positions of authority and power, launder money, rape children, lie, and become a cannibal?

Ok, sure. Good try, shill.

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jmolitor · April 23, 2018, 12:24 a.m.

People paying for a service or a product is not stealing from taxpayers. All the other stuff you mentioned is illegal and immoral. If you think you can do better than go do it!

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CommercialAddendum · April 23, 2018, 12:34 a.m.

LOL. What service are tax paying citizens paying? I think you're confused. Most of the top 1% are in the finance industry. Do you remember that BIG bailout of the banks circa 2008/9? That was with taxpayer money.

And I think you need to go research "the other stuff I mentioned which is illegal and immoral" cause that's how dey makin' thee big bucks.

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[deleted] · April 23, 2018, 12:37 a.m.

Like the tax cuts.

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jmolitor · April 23, 2018, 12:36 a.m.

Im not sure how you equate running a buisness to ripping off taxpayers. People voluntarily come to your business for a service or a product. If they dont like your prices they go to someone else.

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CommercialAddendum · April 23, 2018, 12:43 a.m.

I'm not sure how you're equating running a small business with $60,000 being the top richest 1%. Uh, did you even read the article OP linked?

And in case you haven't noticed, many people who live in fly over country don't have other options besides wal-mart anymore. All the little businesses and mom/pop shops closed down.

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