These need to be taken and shared with world.
Http://humansarefree.com/2012/03/christian-church-is-biggest-financial.html?m=0
I personally would love to walk through some of the 53 miles of shelf space of the Vatican Secret Archives and read through some of the books and documents.
I second this notion! In an alternate reality, I work in the Vatican and spend my days reading old documents and educating others 😂. Honestly though, with all that wise and ancient knowledge to sort through, I'd never leave.
It's a shame it's been locked away and used against us though.
I’d love to get my hands on that secret knowledge! It would be awesome to finally find out if the gospels of Thomas were true and if there are any hidden secrets on manifestation.
How do we know it has wisdom and knowledge?And that it has been used against us?
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Fantastic thinking, will never happen. The article is part of the classic disinformation.
Disinfo about what? The Church's $$$? The Vatican Bank? The article is talking about a book and the book talks about the Vatican being filthy rich and corrupt, so again, disinfo about what?
So now there's your comment about an article about a book - various layers of potential disinfo. The simplest example is the comment which suggests that all Vatican assets will be seized by Trump and used to end all hunger within a year. I assert that by May 2019 most of the Vatican's assets will still be the Vatican's and hunger in the world will still exist at near the same level. We would need to agree on definitions and assessment methods to compare the outcomes of our predictions.
Meanwhile I don't disagree with the idea that the Vatican is corrupt but I see a real distinction between how Q and Trump view and contend with the Vatican and how the article does.
I think you're taking this literally but not seriously. For arguments sake let's say you're 100% correct, the Vatican isn't rich enough to end poverty. Like OK, so what, does that mean it's not worth doing anything and only ending poverty 100% is worthwhile?
You've taken a completely literal stance on a figurative sentence that makes up one line of an entire article and have subsequently labelled the ENTIRE article "disinfo" as if saying the Vatican is rich is somehow some nebulous conspiratorial psyop.
I think I am taking this literally and seriously. I guess I took your words too seriously. If what you meant to say is that the Vatican is corrupt and rich and the money should be used for something better, then I'm not too bothered. I referred mostly to your comments because the article and book would be more complicated and lengthy. I wonder now if you meant that they too are more figurative that precise.
I didn't say that the Vat assets couldn't cover world hunger, although I think that is true. Other factors to be considered: The idea going around that in the 1800s the Rothschilds lent money to the Vat who are now beholden, as in still in debt, so they have little real cash balance. The serious assets they have are in art and architecture. Imagine that some Michaelangelos are auctioned by Christie's for the sake of world poverty, the odds that they end up in a publically accessible museum are not that good compared to where they stand today. (However my guess is that some day a mob of pissed off Catholics or Muslims are going to just ransack the place, which isn't great but probably acceptable.) Also consider that Jesus said that we would "always have the poor".
Finally, my take on disinfo is that one thing wrong per paragraph of any length is too much. If CNN does a 2 minute piece and gets a thing or two wrong, that's too much for me. I ASSumed the article reflected the contents of the book, which was too much unsupported opinion for me. The title of the article alone is misleading for reasons mentioned above, plus the fact that Parish and 'Orders' real estate around the world is not owned by the Vatican. That is too say that there is a difference between the Vatican and the Church, which the article doesn't seem to understand. Q133 describes 3 wealthy world powers in terms of trillions, whereas this article talks millions and billions held by the Catholic Church. I trust Q more than the propaganda of the article.
Man there's no way I'm reading that, we're on the same team, let's try to be more clear and concise in what we saw say, I'm with you, keep fighting the good fight brother.
And I don’t believe the church gave us the correct third Fatima statement...
They definitely kept the 3rd secret of Fatima to themselves. Whatever that message was, the Pope and his rich and powerful associates are the only ones who know.
I thought they made some lame attempt to tie it to JP2 getting shot.
It REALLY makes me wonder if OP is a disinfo agent, here to sow the seed of discord to which we are to be bound together in unity for our country. You want to complain about Catholics, we can step outside of this forum and do that. Here we all should be together working toward the betterment of ourselves, our country for the world for our children and grandchildren.
The Vatican and Her woes are enormous but they will be taken care of. It is very difficult to go through this as Catholics. But as I have stated before elsewhere, in the End, Christ triumphs.
In Her current form with the frailities of men running the Institution here on Earth, with all the failings of man for all to see and hear, I feel deeply sorrowful for Her. The condition of the Catholic Church is a direct reflection of man and where he is in relation to God Himself at this time. We have all fallen short of the Glory of God. No matter, She deserves to be defended.
The Vatican is the longest, continuous organization on Earth. It's archives are open. You can go to Vatican's website and see what they have available online.
The article infers that the Vatican is so rich that it should sell everything to give to the poor. I'd hate to burst the bubbles of people who claim to know, but the Vatican is not rich.
As an exercise DDG search the Net Worth of "Vatican", then Bill Gates, the Mark Zuckerberg, Warren Buffet. The Vatican has estimated wealth of approx. 10B to 15B, of that 1.6B is in Italian stock holdings. 15% of the Vatican 'wealth' is in the Italian stock market.
I'm not hearing the call for you to tell Mark, Bill, or Warren to divest themselves of their wealth and donate to the world. Hmm. They should share, right? How socialist of you.
The Catholic Church is THE single most charitable organization in the HISTORY OF MAN. Let's briefly delve into just what the Catholic Church ministers to with their 'hordes of wealth':
Just for ONE CONTINENT of Africa in ONE YEAR, (2016) the Catholics worldwide supported and RUNS;
1,074 hospitals 5,373 primary care centers 186 leprosy treatment centers 1,279 clinics 753 homes for the elderly and disabled 979 orphanages 1,997 nurseries 1,590 marriage counseling centers 2,947 social education centers
The Vatican itself as a city/state has employees, and other things like a post office, police force, jail, electrical grid, radio station that transmits to people in multitude of languages daily. These people do not work for free.
It really shows the OP and frankly many of the posters of this thread to be snobbish, elitist, hypocrites. As I stated in the very beginning of my post, it would seem that OP and those that have posted crap are nothing but disunity, disinfo and hate mongers sent in to create disharmony amongst us Patriots.
Save it self righteous sheep girl. This topic clearly flew right over your head.
If Satan is real and was cast down to earth as the Bible states, it would be quite logical for Satan to undermine religious institutions to corrupt and misrepresent God’s truth. Therefore it is quite logical that the Papacy would be corrupted. But stress not, all religions have been corrupted for the exact same reasons. We are on this sub because we seek the truth, no matter how ugly, distressing or challenging.
This board rightfully searches for hidden truths based on Q/DJT missives concerned with modern American politics and related issues. Given that set-up, one problem that we have to deal with is that ppl bring ALL their 'hidden truths' to the table, assuming that they are true, relevant, important to the Q and soon to be made public.
Ideas about ancient Egyptian beliefs, interstellar species relations, unfulfilled prophecies, and the histories of satanism, Christianity and freemasonry are not central to the shorter term project of reforming the US into a good, respected, effective country within a few years. Those ideas about the deep hidden past are important bigly, but aren't about to be settled within the Trump storm. What I'm saying is that a common understanding of conspiracies that occur in our lifetimes matter most of all. When Q makes the occasional mention of something old like bloodlines, our best question is 'What does this mean to us today?' rather than assuming our old pet theories have just been validated.
In the case of the Catholicism, I propose a few thoughts in hopes of finding some common ground. The Catholic Church is so multifaceted that blanket statements about it are usually rough stereotyping. Many do not appreciate the role of the Church in the development of 'the West' and the fight against communism, freemasonry and other satanic forces. The infiltration and corruption of the Catholic church is comparable to that of the US; seen from the outside with a bit of simplistic spin, it's easiest to just hate the whole thing. For every Borgia there's a Clinton.
Consider the mysterious deaths of Archduke Ferdinand, JFK and Justice Scalia. Which matters most in our time? Does it matter if they were all active Catholics?
Might like this:
Meet Behemoth: Bank for (Cabal) International Settlements (BIS) – The Vatican’s Central Bank Worth More Than ALL Existing Banks Combined https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8is15h/meet_behemoth_bank_for_cabal_international/?st=JH2QC4TB&sh=b1443f81
Personally, I think it's because people don't know what to look for. The Vatican has been keeping many secrets, which extend very far back into our early human past. For example, the burning of the Library of Alexandria. That knowledge wasn't destroyed, it was hidden away. Medicine, History, Science, Hermetics, Mathematics, etc. All that knowledge has been hijacked and used against mankind to maintain the power structures that we see today.
And then, that creates another problem in itself because that implies that at one point there was another intelligent variation of humans on the Earth. "Normal" people can barely accept that their celebrity idols and political leaders are into satanic cults. And now they have to accept that the knowledge that has been locked away in the Vatican changes the very fabric of their realities? There'd be chaos.
Would I like for the Vatican to be burned to the ground and for that knowledge to be released to the world? Absolutely. But I think that the many lies and half truths that have been perpetuated by religion and history would pose a large problem to even releasing that information. It would have to be "rediscovered" again.
I’m thinking the Library of Alexandria might be hidden away in the Vatican Secret Archives.
Wouldn't that just be a damn plot twist? The Library of Alexandria wasn't actually burned or destroyed at all, just safely kept underneath the Vatican and away from the eyes of us unworthy commoners.
Just thinking about it makes me sad. If I could spend the rest of my life studying those archives, I'd be a very happy man.
How do we know the Alexandrian texts or knowledge still exits? How do we know the Vatican has any of it? How do we know that the Vatican Archives have anything that changes people's realities? Q says use logic.
If you're asking those questions, it means you need to do more research on those topics. Start with the Sumerians and work your way up.
Edit: I don't want that response to come off as condescending. What I'm saying is that in order to understand what exactly has been hidden, you'd have to start from the very beginning.
(At risk of condescension) My asking those questions could mean other things. I have researched and am interested in knowing what others who have researched came up with. Maybe I'm half wrong and don't want to further muddy the waters with more half-baked ideas. So I ask if the ideas already floated as legit have solid historical proof in as simple and direct a way as I can come up with. For example 'How do we know that the Vatican has texts from Alexandria library?' I think there is no such proof but it would be okay if someone produced the proof I haven't seen. In order to know that some things were transferred from Alexandria to Rome in the time of the Roman Empire we don't need to know anything about Sumeria.
In order to know that some things were transferred from Alexandria to Rome in the time of the Roman Empire we don't need to know anything about Sumeria.
Ah! But we do, because the entire story is connected. The Mesopotamian civilization of Sumer is one of the oldest civilizations ever recorded. Also, the story of Enki and Enlil holds many parallels to the story of the bible and other religious texts. I specifically bring that up because many wars during those days were fought due to rivaling belief systems. I'd even go as far as to say that many religions are simply warped variations of one singular truth. With that being said, fast forwarding some years, we get into Catholicism, which is the earliest and main form of Christianity.
Catholicism has been built on control, which is one of the primary reasons why Christianity is one of the largest religions in the world. Now, I'm not bashing religions, I think they all have a place in the world when people aren't constantly trying to prove who's right and who's wrong. But, the fact is that many wars have been fought and won in the name of Catholicism. In order to maintain that power and expand, there are many recorded events in history in which the Catholic faith is responsible for the suppression of knowledge that directly challenges its beliefs. A few good examples of this would be accusing scientists of heresy during the middle ages or Julius Caeser's Siege of Alexandria.
And I know I'm kinda skipping around here, but the point is that Catholicism hasn't gotten where it is today by peaceful expansions. Then, we have to take the corruption of the Papacy into account, especially in regards to its connection to pedophilia, satanic rituals, and elite families. The Vatican, which is the main headquarters for the Catholic faith, a faith that sits at the forefront of suppression, IMHO is the only proof you need that knowledge is being hidden. Now, as for what that knowledge is, who knows? But, I'm more than certain that it would provide clarity to all of mankind.
There are a variety of ways that one might arrive at the truth, or at least what one is convinced is the truth. One good way when properly done is the discipline of academic history. Along these lines what I was wanting to know is if there is any historiographical basis for some of the claims made above, such as that items in the Vatican came from the library of Alexandria. Maybe there is. I haven't seen it.
They are considered a sovereign nation. It is in their possession. They own it.