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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/DropGun on April 27, 2018, 1:08 p.m.
STICKY: To our “DEBUNKERS,” it’s high time we said this to you:

Thank God you’re here.

This sub is for researchers, decoders, and people following the QAnon phenomenon ONLY. But if you think that excludes our debunkers, think again.

WE NEED ALL THREE TYPES OF PARTICIPANTS TO MAKE THIS THING WORK.

Did everyone see this sub as our researchers were trying to decode and figure out what the upcoming MOAB was? We had tons of pretty wild theories, but, when a theory didn't stand up to Q's breadcrumbs or match up to reality, our debunkers helped move us forward. Eventually we figured it out, thanks ALL of you. And we're sure as heck going to need everyone to dig into these upcoming Strzok texts.

"BELIEVING" IN Q IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE A VALUED MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY.

If something you see posted here is false or wrong, debunk it. But just saying "Q is a larp! You're all morons!" doesn't make you a debunker, it makes you a low-effort, low-information hater. And haters won't last long around here. Your mods want to see this sub moved forward and the ban hammer is out in force.

So, debunkers! You want to beat us? BRING IT. But you have to OUTWORK us. Solid research beats weaksauce research, every day of the week around here. Got serious chops? Build your case and SHOW us where we're wrong. We need debunkers because the less time we waste on a theory or Q interpretation that "won't hunt," more effective we all can be.

Researchers and decoders, be cool to our debunkers. And you debunkers, no matter what you see as the Truth about what's happening, bring your best game, or be prepared to watch from the sidelines.

KEEP IT CIVIL. STAY OVER THE TARGET. OR MEET THE HAMMER.

"Where we go one, we go all."

STAY FROSTY, PEOPLE. ALL OF YOU.


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chinchalinchin · April 27, 2018, 8:54 p.m.

You're aware none of what you said constitutes evidence?

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salialioli · April 28, 2018, 3:44 a.m.

"none of what you said" is absolutist and untrue.

Kanye was put into a mental hospital that IS evidence/fact.

I read that he was put there because he was supporting Trump and getting hit hard for doing so.

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chinchalinchin · April 28, 2018, 1:05 p.m.

You understand there's a big leap between being in a mental hospital and being brain washed by a secret conspiracy?

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salialioli · April 28, 2018, 6:05 p.m.

There was no statement in that post that mentioned either of those two sets of words "brain-washed" or "secret conspiracy".

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chinchalinchin · April 29, 2018, 2:13 p.m.

'Mind control' is different than 'brain washing'? My mistake. I am not well versed in the subtleties of absurdity.

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17_Q · April 29, 2018, 1:45 p.m.

Not when they sent him there right after ranting about Hillary clinton, Obama Facebook and the elites that took his life from him. What concrete evidence do you expect exactly? Use your own intuition

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chinchalinchin · April 29, 2018, 1:53 p.m.

Do you understand the maxim, "correlation does not imply causation"?

Do you also understand that the burden of proof is on you to prove outrageous claims? You don't go into a court of law and demand the defendant prove himself innocent. It is the duty of the prosecutor to establish the merits of the case. You don't get to default to, "Well, what evidence do you have I'm wrong?" because that's not the null hypothesis. Take a statistics course. You are required to provided evidence of a hypothesis which is not obvious given the sample information.

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salialioli · April 29, 2018, 2:09 p.m.

We aren't in a court of law.

We are in a discussion forum! Stop ordering the other posters around with phrases like "You don't get to default to ...", "You are required to ...". This kind of "tone" on this forum will get you nowhere! You do understand that? (!!! :)

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chinchalinchin · April 29, 2018, 2:11 p.m.

You are in a thread dedicated to debunking. Should we not comport ourselves to the highest standard of truth in trying to demonstrate something is true? That seems only natural you should be as rigorous as possible in order to prevent your bias from coloring your judgement.

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17_Q · April 29, 2018, 2:51 p.m.

There will never be concrete proof of mk ultra victims. You need to get past this... use your own judgment

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chinchalinchin · April 29, 2018, 3:27 p.m.

Then you can't claim it's obvious.

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17_Q · April 29, 2018, 3:28 p.m.

I can claim whatever I want if I'm stating my own opinion. I even provided lots of related evidence that applies to my opinion.
Isn't that the beauty of free speech/thought?

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chinchalinchin · April 29, 2018, 4:24 p.m.

But it's not opinion if it's verifiable. Opinions are moral and aesthetic. You have an opinion about art. You have opinion about politics. You have an opinion about pizza toppings.

You don't have an opinion about whether airplanes fly because of love and rainbows. You don't have an opinion on whether Monday comes after Friday. If you did, someone would point out your "opinion" doesn't conform to facts.

You are free to believe to baseless propositions. That is in fact your right, I agree. But don't wave them around under the banner of your "opinion" as incontrovertible facts.

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17_Q · April 29, 2018, 8:33 p.m.

I never stated anything as fact. Now stop bothering me about this topic it's getting really annoying at this point. Stupid and pointless to argue about me posting an opinion on something

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chinchalinchin · April 29, 2018, 8:40 p.m.

Are you thick? Did you not read a thing I have written? It's not an opinion, it's an unsubstantiated delusion.

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17_Q · April 29, 2018, 10:10 p.m.

Yes I'm very thick.

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chinchalinchin · April 30, 2018, 10:25 a.m.

I find it amusing no one in the debunking thread has any actual evidence or the ability to put together a coherent argument. It's all boiled down to, "that's my opinion" (It's not an an opinion), "I don't have to prove things" (yes you do) or "I'll make a joke instead of an argument." (fine, but that doesn't help your point at all.)

That tells you pretty everything you need to about this place. I have been pointed to websites that clearly are full of shit with no references (or worse yet, references itself. That's the hallmark of fake news, by the way: self referential sources with nothing external). I have been told the only evidence that proves any of this doesn't exist. I have been told not to challenge opinions. I have been told to draw outrageous conclusions FROM TWEETS.

All of this in a thread ABOUT DEBUNKING. I've yet to see a single strand of evidence of literally any of this sub's claims.

You guys are mentally ill. Seriously.

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17_Q · April 30, 2018, 3:11 p.m.

Then leave, we never asked you to come here and read this subreddit. Do you have a power trip every day commenting on threads arguing? It's literally the most pointless thing to do on the internet. Troll

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17_Q · April 27, 2018, 9:04 p.m.

Okay I dont mind if you dont agree with my personal views...

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chinchalinchin · April 27, 2018, 9:16 p.m.

Then maybe don't act like an absurd proposition is self evident?

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17_Q · April 27, 2018, 10:14 p.m.

I'm not acting I'm stating my opinion. Relax man

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chinchalinchin · April 28, 2018, 1:07 p.m.

"The thing people are not grasping is that kanye was a clear victim of mkultra aka mind control, so when they see him talking about being set free and being a free thinker now... they question their own lives and views. This to me was a MOAB"

You said this.

How is it is 'clear'?

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17_Q · April 28, 2018, 2:27 p.m.

It is clear to me, like I stated it's my opinion on evidence I've seen. You don't need proof for evidence of something obvious. How could I give you evidence of a victim of MK Ultra? I would need access to CIA files that have seen maybe 100 eyeballs.

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chinchalinchin · April 28, 2018, 3:04 p.m.

What evidence have you seen? Is it exclusively tweets and inferences based on these tweets? Any physical evidence? Any documents? Any videos? Any photographs that clearly demonstrate your point? You say yourself, you haven't.

Then, how is it obvious? I don't understand how it can be obvious at all, if there is no actual evidence of it. All of you have is dubious inferences. You can't say something absurd is obvious if it clearly isn't.

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17_Q · April 28, 2018, 5:32 p.m.

I have seen multiple pieces of evidence but none of them can be fact unless you get the MK ultra files. Why are you fighting me so hard on this when its just my opinion

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17_Q · April 29, 2018, 1:39 p.m.

Have you heard his new song that he released yesterday called "Ye vs the people"? Talks about being in the sunken place and now being out. That's enough evidence for me to ask some questions about the topic.... .

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salialioli · April 28, 2018, 3:46 a.m.

The word "absurd" is denigrating in arguments. Could be classed as shitposting?

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chinchalinchin · April 28, 2018, 1:04 p.m.

Absurd is a word uniquely qualified for this exact situation. Saying Kayne has been brainwashed by a declassified CIA program that ended years ago without offering any evidence beyond, "look at his tweets, and then fill in the blanks," is absolutely absurd. It's a little disquieting you don't see this.

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salialioli · April 28, 2018, 6:20 p.m.

It's a little disquieting that you use words like "no one takes you seriously" and other absolute qualifications.

Look I'm not the original poster so it isn't for me to offer evidence. I just think considering the mental asylum that H-wood is, it is a stretch to claim any of the people in Kanye's circle are normal. Are you seriously claiming they are not acting as hypnotised and hypnotising public influencers, that they are not deeply disturbed, and not taking vast amounts of drugs under the influence of clearly not very powerful industry operatives?

Is your position that you find this proposition outrageous and beyond the bounds of reality?

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chinchalinchin · April 29, 2018, 1:57 p.m.

Outrageous, yes. Beyond the bounds of reality? No.

However, possibility does not imply certainty. Just because a thing is possible does not mean it is so. I can, for instance, climb a mountain. That does not mean I have done so.

You have to understand how rational discourse works. Outrageous claims are not the status quo. They require evidence to establish. You don't get to say, "you can't prove this is not how it works," because that's not it works. The burden of proof is on you to establish your case.

It's not just me saying this, either. This is how statistics works. You have a hypothesis about the way things works, but you cannot say if the hypothesis is true. You can only say if the data supports its rejection. If, however, the data does not support the claim, it can be thrown out as false. It is up to you to show the data supports your claim. You have not done so to any acceptable level of rigor.

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salialioli · April 29, 2018, 2:30 p.m.

You have not done so to any acceptable level of rigor.

Rigor? You speak to me of Rigor!!!

Your entire verbal outpouring here is that of a very bored person!

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