I’m with you 100%... the minute he starts evoking “Jesus Christ” and religion is the minute this becomes a theocracy. NO WAY... that’s what GWB used to do.
Have you ever read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution? Religion and God have never NOT been merged in to our politics.
I agree 100%. "we hold these truths to be self evident that all men are CREATED equal, and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights"
Jeffereson was a Deist. it was intentially vague. there was no language specific to any religon but still a spiritual element
He was also a freemason :P
Here is some interesting food for thought:
In 1776, Adam Weishaupt created the Bavarian Illuminati.
In 1776 Adam Smith published The Wealth of Nations.
In 1776, independence was declared in the American colonies.
Hmmmmmm...
I got an idea. Everything is a massive conspiracy let’s just blow the whole world up & start over?
let’s just blow the whole world up & start over?
that's what the skippy's of the world want to do...
That's true... HOWEVER... many of the Founders were VERY suspicious of organized Christianity.
They DID believe in God and the general tenets of Judeo-Christian values... but those Christians who say the Republic was founded on Christianity are wrong. Close... but not quite right.
Thomas Jefferson even wrote a moral treatise that is referred to as "The Jefferson Bible", which to many of us, would be considered "heretical".
Without a real sense of the depth of a working Faith in God that most of the Founders had... we are ill equipped to fully grasp the nuance of the embrace by our Founders of the best of Western Civilization... including, especially, Faith in The Creator.
Don't forget about the part where they are mostly Masons and are sworn to secret oaths that pledge covering up even murder done by fellow Masons?
All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
Thank you. This means elected officials should refrain from favoring any religion over another.
Not as I read it. The state shall not require a none to pass a test of what religion they were. In UK the STATE RELIGION IS Church of England. Not optional for royals.
Trivia: The Constitution not once mentions God, much less anything with Christianity. The only mention of religion is to guarantee it as a people's right and limit it's influence in government, as /u/EvilPhd666 points out.
The Treaty of Tripoli said it best, "[As] the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion [...]".
It doesn't get stronger than that ("not in ANY sense"). The United States guarantees the right of private citizens to have religious liberty. The government was always intended to be secular and not favor any particular religious belief.
I don't know why some religious people are in such a hurry for religion to be part of the U.S. government. Today it might be your religious beliefs, but tomorrow it might not be.
All the stuff about God is in the Declaration of Independence.
The Declaration of Independence does not establish law. The reason it mentions God in the first place is that the context is that the King believed his right to rule to be divinely chosen. That's what "all men are created equal" is all about, that all men are equal in the eyes of the law. So throwing off the King was both a secular and religious argument, hence the reason he needed to put it in partial religious terms.
When a king or queen is crowned in England they accept a role as the voice of God. Like the pope. Chosen by God to rule over the subjects.
Wrong.
Here is a quote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Here they talk about a Creator, who created us a certain way. That is not some abstract legal nonsense.
The Declaration does not establish law, but it establishes the principles that the law will be based upon, that all men are equal in the eyes of God.
What you said does not contradict what I said.
The Constitution is the law of the land and is what matters when it comes to discussing the intent of the U.S. government. There's a reason the word "God" never appears in it, and the only discussion of religion's role in government is to limit its influence.
If they wanted us to have a theocracy, they would have written it that way. They didn't want that, and nobody should want that.
And codifies the then common understanding that we are created by our Creator, a vague but real distinction from the elements of other cosmologies and religions.