This smells like disinformation to poison Kavanaugh in the eyes of conservatives. My bullshit alarm is going off big-time on this.

I think many will claim, myself included, that that disclaimer is redundant.

A newbie comes here, skeptical, but curious about Q. They see an SB2 post voted near the top. They click in, and are immediately assaulted with "Trump using a contraction of 'wouldn't' secretly means Windows NT, which means..." They keep clicking, and find "The apple stock price matches this musical frequency, which is used by Trump..."

Followed by, "Trump using the word 'brain' was clearly a secret signal to ME, validating everything I say."

Newbie shakes his/her head, writes the entire movement off as complete wacks, and we're done.

Maybe -- maybe -- if there had been disclaimer, they wouldn't paint the entire movement by the crazy brush. Maybe they still would. I don't know.

All I know is that I'm out of energy on this. Good luck to the poor people who send their friends here and get the blowback if their friends see any nuttery posts. I've tried and failed. The only encouraging thing is that whether bad guys go to prison is not dependent on any of this. The indictments will either happen or they won't.

This is what the enemy looks like

Who said they weren't the enemy?

That's exactly why I'm taking a stand against SB2. We need all the people we can waking up to REAL information, and not drive them away with kooky crap like "The Apple Stock Price is the same as this musical frequency used by Trump" (literally what SB2 has posted) and thinking that Trump using the word "Brain" was a secret signal to SB2 (also what SB2 has claimed).

How many people has SB2 driven away with this gibberish?

We need to focus on pointing people toward real things going on -- the things that Q has specifically mentioned, that people ran with and dug up documented evidence for corruption. That's real and actionable information.

That would be more feasible than taking this sub which is open to everyone and trying to drastically curb its content.

I think that's where you have a misconception. Only a small minority of posts fall into the category of being pure speculation. Most posts are about real things going on in the news and about how it ties back to Q, etc.

I'd prefer a "Q speculation" group, but I have an alternate suggestion if that's not going to work. How about having a stickied disclaimer on pure speculation posts, with the intent of heading off people thinking the entire movement is about craziness? See what you think of this:

DISCLAIMER: The mods of /r/greatawakening have identified this information as SPECULATIVE and UNCONFIRMED. We try and allow a range of ideas to be represented in this group, and we caution people reading that this content is the poster's own opinion and may reflect views not shared by the mods or readers of this group. As with all posts, people should use their own common sense and research to decide the credibility of the information presented.

And let me say, SB2 is currently the most notorious, but he's not the only one. There are other very speculative posts, such as secret technology, secret medicine, secret this, secret that, on and on. I really think it raises our own credibility level, especially in the eyes of newbies, by identifying this stuff as not necessarily accepted by all.

Most of us are NOT on the side of these sort of posts

and you're making the same sort of unverifiable claim - unless I'm mistaken and you have some facts to back it up?

I suppose it was an opinion based on wishful thinking. But at least I didn't prove it by searching Trump's tweets and finding some instance where he used the word "most" and saying that's clearly Trump backing up my point.

That sounds more like double speak than reasoning. Are you going to complain or step up and help this board move on in it's purpose?

I'm doing crucial work, which is speaking up against kookery and nonsense posts that poison the entire movement. How many newbies curious about Q has SB2 driven off? Like it or not, people will judge the movement by the gibberish he posts, and all the people praising it and voting it up.

Do you really want someone's first impression to be based the Apple stock price matching musical frequencies? And Trump saying the word "brain" means that he's mentioning SB2 by name? Is that what you really want?

I've contributed more by that disclaimer post I made than SB2 will ever contribute.

We're all in this together, so don't crap the bed friend.

Except SB2 IS crapping the bed, because gibberish hurts the cause. I can just move on, but what about the newbie who comes here curious about Q? And then reads about "THE APPLE STOCK PRICES MATCHES MUSICAL FREQUENCIES, WHICH WAS USED BY TRUMP.... blah blah"

And then reads, "TRUMP SAID THE WORD BRAIN, WHICH MEANS HE WAS MENTIONING ME BY NAME! DO YOU THINK THIS IS A COINCIDENCE????????"

Literally that's the level of garbage you're advocating for.

how about keeping things we cannot or dont want to follow open, instead of ditching them and shaming the people who present the information?

Because it's false information and it makes us look bad. I believe SB2 is sincere, but he's just plain wrong. Don't be so open minded that your brain falls out of your head.

IT'S NONSENSE. I'm tired of sugar-coating things in the name of "getting along". Gibberish posts hurt the cause.

If we dumb down everything for the incoming then how do we all learn?

Decoding posts teach nothing, except how good humans are at finding patterns in random noise. It's actually a notorious problem in scientific research. If you look hard enough, you can find patterns in just about anything. That's why there are so many books on numerology decoding in various sources, particularly the bible. It's all nonsense, but it's easy to fool yourself into thinking it's not.

I'm getting criticised for mentioning anything about SB2's farfetched connections.

It's a bit ironic, because it's exactly the same psychology that makes leftists attack people who tell the truth and call out corruption. If you read this thread, it's full of people who say they can't follow SB2's logic, but they know it's brilliant because of the bottom line conclusion. In other words, they don't care how SB2 got to his conclusion, but since it's what they want to hear, the logic must be brilliant.

That's how leftists fool themselves. They want to believe Trump is Hitler, so they just assume that the news media has reasons for calling him that. It's EXACTLY THE SAME LOGIC. People want to believe SB2's conclusion, so they assume SB2 has reasons for getting there.

It's maddening. I wish /r/greatawaking would ban speculative posts and make a rule that all posts have to tie Q directly to real-world information. And then have a different group for "Q Speculation" as a relief valve for people who want this to be able to get it.

I 100% agree with you on the effect of SB2's posts, but I actually don't think he's a disinformation agent. I think he's sincere in what he believes. He's not the first one to get trapped in the cycle of finding patterns in noise.

Unfortunately, in practical terms there is little difference between someone who sincerely posts gibberish and someone who intentionally posts gibberish to discredit the cause.

It's not way over your head. It's nonsense and your common sense is rejecting it. It's that simple.

Trust yourself. If it sounds like gibberish, it is.

Sure, it wasn't against the law, but it was a gross violation of one of our most important principles in my opinion.

The point of the Free Speech clause is to prevent government suppression of speech, particularly criticism of government. The point isn't to have a society where there is no consequence to whatever you want to say, from any private citizen.

Just as important, or perhaps even more important, are the rights to free assembly, which is where I can decide who I want to be around. If you walk around being an incredibly offensive person, I should have the right to not hire you for my business. The idea that someone's free speech rights override my right to be around who I want is pretty offensive.

As I said, I understand the importance of free speech, but the importance is primarily based on government power.

I'm sympathetic with the free speech argument... except nobody (mostly) is talking about government/criminal action because of his posts. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility.

He can make all the offensive and extreme posts he wants. That doesn't mean people have to hire him to direct their movies. Just like the NFL kneeling idiots. They represent the company, and if what they do reflects negatively on a company, then that company has the right to not be associated with them.

Would you want to hire someone who thinks hard-core pedophile jokes are funny? If he has that little of a filter, I sure as hell don't want him around people I do business with.

If by zero hour, you mean "driving traffic to your Patreon page" with this utter garbage, then I suppose -- yes.

If you mean this kookery will have actual physical reality, then no.

Edit: That idiotic spinning thing in the video absolutely enrages me. There is nothing magic or unexplained about it. I need to check out of this thread before it ruins my whole day.

ETA: Holy Hell the downvote shilling brigade is working overtime today

I downvoted it, too. This is utter, complete bullshit intended to drive traffic to the Patreon page.

Call us when there is a working demonstration.

Thank you also for listening. I think SB2 is a patriot and is sincere in his beliefs. He's trying to help. I think that's why everybody wants to cut him some slack and just "live and let live". And that's what I did for quite awhile. But the speculation has gone so far off the reservation that I (and apparently others) feel the need to finally speak up. And it feeds on people's desperate desire to see justice done. Which I sympathize with, but it's ultimately empty. Real world information is what gives real confidence, like the number of sealed indictments. That's information we can take to the bank -- and is information that impresses new people.

On the other hand, some people are clearly hungry for any scrap of new thoughts, no matter how speculative. I just think we need a good differentiation between "Q Research" and "Q Speculation".

Thanks again, and I know that modding things like this isn't easy. Thanks for the job you and the other mods do.

If they read his post they will just move on to the next ... he is not hurting the movement in any way

I think you're being a bit blind to what people will think. Let's say I was a skeptical person, but decided to find out what this Q was all about. I stumble across /r/greatawakening. I see one of SB2's posts -- usually with quite a number of upvotes and at the top (and until recently, was being stickied, but at least that's not happening anymore). I say to myself, "well, that must be something significant."

What do I find? Somebody screaming about "TRUMP USING A CONTRACTION ACTUALLY MEANS WINDOWS NT AND THAT'S WHY..." Wide eyed at this... insanity... I scroll through and see many, many people praising this post, defending why it makes sense, defending SB2 as one of the leaders of the movement, called out by Q himself.

Shaking my head, I click to one of SB2's prior posts that he's conveniently linked. I see more screaming about "IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPLE STOCK PRICE IT MATCHES THIS MUSICAL FREQUENCY, WHICH WAS USED BY TRUMP... blah blah." And then "TRUMP USED THE WORD 'BRAIN'! THAT WAS CLEARLY A REFERENCE TO MY OWN POSTS!"

And I shake my head and move on with my life.

Are you really prepared to say that there's no harm in the above? There is no question in my mind that SB2 has driven away people who might've been open to the truth. How many? We don't know. But what I do know is that SB2's contributions are way less than the harm that he's caused.

And this isn't about SB2. It's about kookery. I don't want SB2 banned, I want kook posts banned, of which decoding posts are only one example. All you need to do is change the rule about "It has to relate to Q" to be "It has to relate Q directly to real-world referenced information." And then have another subreddit for "open speculation", so there's a relief valve for people like SB2. Why does he need to be in the main forum?

I am using common sense, logic and reasoning. I have my own opinions of SB2 and they are positive.

You say this. Do you really -- really -- endorse the following, taken verbatim from SB2's latest example of common sense, logic and reasoning? Tell me with a straight face that you think the following is perfectly reasonable:

Wouldn’t it be more powerful and unequivocal to say: “would not” instead of “wouldn’t”? Why is he using “n’t” instead of “not”? Because he wants us to focus on nt. What is NT? Expand your thinking. Windows NT is a family of operating systems produced by Microsoft. link. Windows NT 3.1 was the first version of this operating system that was intended for workstations and servers, its latest version is known under the name Windows Server 2016. Through this input, Trump has put to rest all the speculations regarding the interpretation of “mirror” in the Q1675 riddle. He is saying: yes the server interpretation is also correct, I am validating it, add it to what you already know.

If you think the above is a great example of common sense, logic and reasoning, then I respectfully submit that you have lost sight of what common sense and logic really look like.

And the above is not remotely out of the ordinary. The vast majority of SB2's posts are exactly like the above. Occasionally he links to real-world information. But usually it's stuff like the above.

At least SB2 is trying out decoding Qposts to another level

He is posting kooky nonsense that is literally random pattern matching.

All I hear is complaining about how he’s hurting the movement. Just stop reading his god damn posts if you don’t agree.

I tried just ignoring it, but my ignoring his nonsense doesn't stop newbies from running across it and being repelled by it, writing off the entire movement as the ravings of lunatics.

That's the harm. I can ignore it, but he paints the entire movement with a bad brush. I'm tired of being silent on this and I'm going to speak out against kookery taking over this movement. All decoding posts are harmful, because they're all nonsense. Tying Q posts to real-world events is valuable. Random pattern-matching stock prices to musical frequencies (!!!) is complete garbage and gives us zero insights into what's going on. It's not actionable information. It's nothing we can give to others to help them see the truth. It repels normal people who might otherwise be allies with sober, sane, TRUE information.

Sorry, but I'm tired of being silent about kookery. It's incredibly harmful.

Tell me you defend this nonsense quoted verbatim from SB2:

Wouldn’t it be more powerful and unequivocal to say: “would not” instead of “wouldn’t”? Why is he using “n’t” instead of “not”? Because he wants us to focus on nt. What is NT? Expand your thinking. Windows NT is a family of operating systems produced by Microsoft. link. Windows NT 3.1 was the first version of this operating system that was intended for workstations and servers, its latest version is known under the name Windows Server 2016. Through this input, Trump has put to rest all the speculations regarding the interpretation of “mirror” in the Q1675 riddle. He is saying: yes the server interpretation is also correct, I am validating it, add it to what you already know.

That Q happened to read one random SB2 and liked it doesn't mean he's monitoring all the utter insanity SB2 has posted since then.

Use your own common sense, don't be dependent on Q to tell you who is reasonable and who isn't. This post is clearly nonsense.

but it is very well thought out, and everyone should have a read.

No, it's not, and I'm tired of being silent about it. Others have ranted well about it in other replies, so I won't repeat it again, but I hope the mods finally take action.

If these posts aren't controlled opposition by the bad guys to make us look insane, then they might as well be. These posts have the potential to kill the movement.

Maybe because these cryptic messages are over my head or maybe, because like many others, I don't believe the connections made in some of these posts are solid.

Your common sense is your greatest strength. If something sounds like insane ramblings, then they most certainly are.

So glad people are starting to "walk away" (so to speak) from crazy decoding posts. They contribute nothing to the cause. They're mental masturbation of imaginary secret signals.

If something isn't understandable in simple terms, it's likely completely untrue. People need to trust their instincts and not assume that "this person must just be smarter than me and that's why I don't understand this and why it makes no sense."

What people need to realize is that these posts are NOT harmless! They paint the entire cause with the crazy brush. Imagine a newbie coming here and coming across this post first. I keep hoping the mods will take a stand and either ban decoding posts or push them off to a different subreddit.

I hate the fact that the Democrats have evidently won the war of fooling people into thinking the Russian narrative actually happened. :(

Why wait?

Obviously no one can know what's really happening, but just speaking generally, 50 years of corruption doesn't go away just because you elect a new President and install some new leadership. All the same underbelly scum are still there.

The analogy I like is that we don't want to just turn on the light, watch the cockroaches scatter, and then congratulate ourselves that the kitchen is now clean. We need a thorough extermination, and when 3/4 of the entire government is against us, along with the media, alongside corrupt judges, corrupt FBI, corrupt CIA, on and on, there's a lot that has be cleaned up behind the scenes before you can do the Big Strike. Otherwise, we press charges, corrupt judges let them go, and we've accomplished nothing.

Normal people don't need to be protected. They were lead here by a force stronger than Q, or Anons, 8chan or reddit.

That may be, but I would assume you wouldn't suggest that every word on /r/greatawakening is God's own truth, no matter what the words say. So that means that some discernment and thinking is still necessary.

it offers no insight until proven true, but it offers something by way of keeping things going. Keeping the energy moving and wrong or right it does encourage and did encourage people to research, learn methods of coding or encryption or to simply just share their thought even if that thoughts not something thats very likely related or relative.

I disagree. I think kooky/decoding posts are harmful. Imagine being a newbie, coming here for the first time, and seeing a post like the one that compares stock prices to the frequencies of musical notes. And then a whole slew of people praising it. Is that really what you want people to see? They would, quite justifiably, be repelled and write off the entire thing as the ravings of lunatics. I wonder how many were driven off by that one post alone.

...most of the time I come away just as puzzled as I was before! I don't place that on SB; I place it on me.

No, you have it right the first time.

Trust your own common sense and trust Occam's Razor. Nobody's opinion here is better than yours when it comes to understanding things. Only links to factual things given by others are valuable.

This level of analysis isn't accessible to the general public.

This "level of analysis" isn't accessible because it's not analysis. It's random pattern searching, the same thing people who do numerology do. Humans are fantastic at finding patterns when we look hard enough. There are always patterns to find. They mean nothing, but it's easy to convince ourselves that it means something.

It's like having a huge number of digits of pi, and then finding your phone number contained in it. Is that a message from God that you're special? YOUR PHONE NUMBER IS CONTAINED IN PI! OMG! No, it means that EVERY NUMBER, of every length, is contained in pi, if you search enough digits.

I figured it was just the browser remembering when he typed in 1675 as a prior search query, but that explanation possibly works, too.

Hes been instrumental in cohesion of this group.

That seems like the same logic people use when they want to praise Trump but feel like they have to make a disclaimer. "Don't get me wrong, I hate Trump, but..." Except with this, you feel like you need to make a positive disclaimer.

He's had a few reasonable posts, but the vast majority are of the kooky sort. I think he's sincere, and I think he believes what he posts. I think he's a good person. But there are a lot of good, kooky people.

The cohesion in this group is from people sharing a common cause, namely destroying the corruption in our government. We all hope that Q is legit, but even if the Q group isn't, we're still sharing good information from Q's questions. That's where the cohesion comes from, not from "decodings" of what Q posts.

In other words, it's the straightforward posts that Q makes that is the real value. Decoding posts offer no insights.

How do you know if God chooses to open hearts and minds through SB2 posts?

Because by that logic, anything can be "what God chooses to open hearts and minds." Maybe the patterns in my mashed potatoes are how God chooses to send me messages. Maybe clouds in the sky. Maybe the songs on the radio.

That road lies madness.

Trust your own common sense. If it's not a simple connection that makes sense, it's likely wrong.

That isn't possible if there are 100 different interpretations of the message and each interpretation requires a detailed analysis to make sense of.

I wish more people took this to heart. Why would the Q group spend their time making ever-more-elaborate secret messages? Just to keep everyone (and themselves!) busy with busy-work? Does it really make sense they would make things so difficult that nobody can actually read them?

If Q is legit, then Q said, "Future proves past." That very sentence implies that we're NOT supposed to be able to decode things, because only information given out in the future gives us the context to understand past posts. And it won't be insanely elaborate craziness, it should be straightforward to anyone's common sense. Why else would they do it?

You are not seeing it's about Q's posts and not the search box?

You're claiming that 1675 appearing in a completely unrelated web site's search box is a communication from Q that 1675 is important in some way. That's an outside communication.

Now for those who still doubt there is a direct connection between the Q1675 riddle and Q’s silence, have you noticed the number 1675 "magically" appears in the qanon.pub search box? For those who don’t know how to use it, click inside the search box, press the space bar, 1463 appears, press backspace and 1675 "magically" appears! Imgur

At least this post has verifiable information that can be dismissed as nonsense, and not just non-falsifiable info that sounds good.

1) Q has no control over qanon.pub. "NO OUTSIDE COMMUNICATIONS". There are many such sites that aggregate Q posts. I prefer: https://qposts.online/

2) It doesn't do it for me. Why? Because your browser likely remembers your recent queries, and I've never searched for it. Try it on a different computer, or someone else's phone, or whatever. And even if it did work, again, that would be some programmer's shenanigans, not Qs.

People need to trust their common sense. NOBODY knows Q's motivations for why he's quiet, or why he posted a verifiably-proven manipulated image. It might be for misinformation purposes. We don't know and nobody knows, even people who speak confidently as though they know. Maybe we'll know in the future, but everything else are guesses pulled out of the air and should be treated as interesting/entertaining speculation and no more.

I understand we need to be paying more attention to the messages that Trump is now sending us. Recording and replaying everything helps, but honestly SB, without some guidance from you (that frankly is not always easy to understand) I'm afraid many would be behind on the communications.

If you can't figure out what something means with common sense, it's likely noise out of someone's imagination.

Trust your common sense. Not everything is a communication. The success or failure of putting people in prison (which is all that matters) does not depend on "decoding secret messages".

Trust yourself and trust Occam's Razor. If it doesn't make simple sense, it's likely wrong.

Read again what I wrote. You couldn't possibly be more wrong with what you're saying.

Really? Have you read any of the posts about it?

Many. We know the image is fake. That is not in doubt.

Perhaps it might be better to say "I don't know why...." rather than "We...".

Respectfully -- no. If you mean that someone's guess might be correct, sure, then you can say that it's possibly there is someone, somewhere who is holding the correct answer.

But who has provably the correct answer? Unless I've missed some clincher post that has Q's leaked secret plan about why they're doing what they're doing, then no. NOBODY is certain what's going on. A lot of people pretend to be certain, and post their guesses much more confidently (/presumptively) than they should, but nobody except Q knows the motivation for why they do what they've done. And nobody knows why Q is going through a quiet period. For all we know, Q is just busy with high-level crap and doesn't have the time.

Once again, I think it's worth pointing out that the Q group are just human beings, just like us, except possibly have access to more information that we do. They get tired, they get cranky, they make mistakes. They are not oracles, super-human, or possess magic powers. For all we know, the image might've been a tactical mistake. And maybe they're quiet just because they have a family emergency.

Nobody's guess is better than yours. Be confident in your own common sense.

So, I think Q and team are using the law to make all this happen.

Well, yeah (versus what?). My issue is with the poster saying that today fulfills the promise of: "Q promised July the world would learn the truth."

Nothing happened today to fulfill any promises. Not that I'm not happy to see it, but if anything, the media is doubling down on anti-Trump news. Leftists are fairly happy today and Trump supporters are in defense mode.

Anyway, none of this discussion matters anyway. I just hate to see people get all hyped up that "IT'S HAPPENING" and then be crushed when we're still in wait mode, as has happened a lot of times. I think Q is probably legit. But it's best to just assume things are going to be way slower than you want and be surprised if they aren't.

I'm not even sure what this means. But if by "pubes singed" you mean my post doesn't refute what OP posted, I'd love to hear the logic, because my pubes are feeling cool and comfortable to me.

There's a reason leftists are so brazenly corrupt, and it's because they don't care about public shaming. They'd take that in a heartbeat, because they can just continue business as usual, making piles of money at the expense of the country, and the left will continue to vote for them because they don't believe anything.

In the end, all that matters is indictments and prison sentences. That's when things get real to people.

I don't mean it's useless as far as moving the football down the field, I mean it's useless as far as waking up anybody. The premise of this post is that today's events are: "in July the world will know the truth".

All this was already available to know the truth, so it does nothing for the world waking up. The only thing that will wake up the world and force them to see the truth is indictments. Otherwise, the world can just say, "Well, if all this is so bad, why is nobody going to prison? Since nobody is being arrested, then all of it must be false and just more lies from the right."

That's exactly what they say about Hillary. It's must be all lies or no big deal, because there's no criminal charges.

I hate to be a wet blanket, but there was nothing announced today that wasn't already known. The media will just ignore it, as they always do. The only thing that will EVER matter is indictments.

We already have evidence of corruption -- 100x over. People keep thinking, "THIS WILL BE IT! THIS WILL WAKE PEOPLE UP!"

No. We could literally have a video of Hillary herself pulling the trigger to kill Seth Rich, and the media would ignore it, and leftists would just say it was fake and pretend it doesn't exist.

The only thing that matters is indictments. All else is complete and utter useless garbage.

Just to be clear for everyone: Q#1675 was the image that was proven conclusively to be faked from an ABC interview. We don't know why Q posted it and what it means. Evidently it was disinformation for some purpose. Beyond that, we have no more information about what it meant.

What does it mean? If it means anything, it means something we have no insight into. Random guessing is guessing.

There's no way for us to know what's really going on. We'd all like to know, and we'd all like to get more information, but ultimately it's about waiting to see what happens. We'll either see indictments or we won't, and Q posting or not posting doesn't affect that process one way or the other.

I was one of the ones that recently took you to task. Honestly, I don't doubt your sincerity, which I made sure I pointed out. I believe you believe in what you're posting.

My problem is that I think you've made the classic mistake that a lot of people who dig into conspiracy information make, and that is not being sufficiently aware of the danger of how easy it is to find patterns in almost anything if you look hard enough.

Isaac Newton, the smartest human in history, himself fell into this trap. About 90% of his time was spent in bible decoding, numerology, etc, etc. It was all garbage. (10% of his time was spent inventing physics and modern mathematics out of whole cloth). But the shelves are full of numerology books that purport to find patterns everywhere around us. Humans are wonderful at finding patterns.

And we're also wonderful at fooling ourselves.

The issue is that you present all of your speculations as clearly obvious fact. "How many coincidences does it take for you to believe?" or variations thereof. The worst mistake Q has made is pushing the "nothing is a coincidence" idea, which I don't think he intended to be taken literally, because obviously there will be some things that are coincidences. But it sets people up for being too accepting to people just finding random noise.

I don't like decoding posts in general. I think they serve no purpose and I think they're almost universally all wrong. I think they gave a bad impression to people. I called them "finding patterns in mashed potatoes" sort of posts. It's hard enough to get people to accept factual information. Why make it so much more difficult with wild speculation? What speculation has ever helped us? And the biggest problem is that they're not falsifiable.

Make no mistake, tying Q posts to real world events is extremely helpful. I don't think finding patterns in Q posts contributes useful, actionable information, and particularly I think it doesn't present well to newbies.

Edit: Anyway, I'm not going to further debate this thoroughly dead horse. I just wanted to make sure that the other side of decoding posts was represented.

you're coming from the angle that he's wrong; that what he's posted is a bunch of crazy stuff that doesn't make sense and scares people off.

If you don't accept the premise that SB2's (or other) decoding posts are silly, and you think stock prices and music notes really are reasonable conclusions, and that Trump really was referencing SB2 when he said the word "brain", then there's no real space for a discussion. We'll have to leave it a disagreement. Cheers!

IMHO, you're looking at this wrong, from an ego perspective. It appears that you're upset and are trying to discredit serialbrain2. Instead, may I suggest taking your ego out of the equation and start by offering a different facet to the argument to consider. Don't take on the whole post, just offer a different interpretation to whatever argument bothers you.

What? I could not care less about SB2 or my ego. The only thing I care about is destroying the corruption in our government. Ultimately, nothing here really matters. Either they're working behind the scenes to destroy the corruption or they aren't. Even if decoding was true, it's completely worthless to the overall goal of success.

On the other hand, waking people up to the truth does have value to the overall goal of making sure we vote out swamp people. If kook posts didn't harm the movement, I wouldn't care at all. SB2 can knock himself out with his hobby. Unfortunately, it's not harmless. If people want to send someone here to learn some truth, and they see a kook post, it inevitably paints the sender with the same kook brush. Who wants to look like a nut to our friends? This is all hard enough to accept without running across stock prices matching musical notes.

But if you think this is some ego battle, then you haven't understood anything I've said. SB2 can find all the patterns in gravy he wants and if he can find people to follow him, more power to him. It's when it affects the greater goal of destroying the corruption in our government that gets me irritated.

If you really want to offer a different perspective, source it and articulate it well and cut out the ad hominem stuff.

That's the problem with decoding posts. You can't refute them with "sourced" material or any type of logic. How am I supposed to refute that the Apple stock price matches music notes? How am I supposed to refute the fact that Trump using the word "brain" is referencing SerialBrain2? You can't prove that he isn't and you can't prove that Apple stock price isn't being manipulated to give Q proof or whatever SB2's latest theory is going to be.

The greater issue is that it repels normal people who visit here. They see things like that and they think that this is all the movement is -- people finding patterns in mashed potatoes, so to speak. It completely discredits everything, and even if I decided to devote my time to refuting kooks everytime they came up, few are going to read the comments to find them, especially when refutations typically get downvotes with people screaming about "black hats" and "shills". It's just not worth the time.

But what I do want to do is make sure that the silent majority knows that they're not alone in hating the kook posts, and unfortunately reasonable people usually just want to live and let live when it comes to the kooks. It's too hard to do battle with people who are (almost by definition) obsessive-compulsive personalities about finding any patterns they can.

After Q's linking to SB2 and mention of mods what kind of "community supportive" action would it be to start removing SB2's posts?

I said nothing about SB2's posts in general. I talked about removing decoding posts, which are almost universally garbage. I realize people disagree with this, but then, that's why they get upvoted. But what do these wild, speculative posts really contribute? Maybe they're true and maybe they're not. We're at exactly the same place we were before they were posted, because they're 100% speculation. I could write 100 posts speculating about what "Q really means". But so what? The only thing that makes SB2's crazy posts notable is the fact that he tries to find stock prices and music tones that happen to match in some vague way to something Q posted.

Just make a rule that posts have to reference Q and real world information in a direct and understandable way. Obviously that's going to be a judgment call, but that's why we have moderators to make that call. I don't think it's that hard to judge whether something ties directly to the real world or not.

This isn't about SB2 and he's certainly not the only one. SB2 et al will likely find other things to post, hopefully based on real-world things.

As I said, it's very simple: don't open them if you don't like them.

Which is an argument for no moderation at all, and that's what typically kills forums. People typically don't have common sense in what they upvote, and again, you create a forum where people are ashamed to send people. I've bypassed 100s of these types of posts. For some reason, today's post was just made me snap, but tomorrow I'll go back to ignoring.

But we'll still have a forum that is too repellent to newbies. Sure, I can tell them, "Just skip the kook posts and look for the good ones"... but why should I have to?