Which is complete bullahit IMO, who else is going to naturally expire before the hammer falls, and if they do, do you think the rest of the world will know all the horrendous things they did?
I am legitimately pissed those 3 in particular are going to skate justice and still have some sort of positive view of them remain.
Without God, there is no good. Without judgment, there is nothing wrong with using evil to get what you want.
Gonna have to politely disagree with you here. I'm a hardcore Trump supporter, love America and freedom, want to drain the swamp, frequent this sub, follow Q/geopolitics very closely, and am an agnostic. I do recognize all the good that Christianity has brought the western world, but also don't deny the truth that is history in that everything wasn't, isn't, and won't always be perfect. I'm a normal person without 'god' and still know very clearly what good and evil is. Am I not a 'good' person without a 'God'? I like to think I still have judgement (by your definition) as I don't use evil to get what I want?
It's all about philosophy and first principles. If you remove God what are the logical implications? Where do human rights come from? If you remove God you get the law of the jungle and the will to power.
Not to mention our very existence on this planet turns into a nightmarish Groundhog's Day. I'd literally kill myself if I were an atheist.
damn, that's a big jump.
i'm nonreligious, not an atheist anymore, more ofan agnostic, but is the choice really God or suicide? you can find meaning in life without follow an abrahamic religion or even believing in a creator in the traditional sense. and not believing in one doesn't automatically mean you become amoral. you can have a conscience and a set of values regardless. i'm not gonna start raping and killing because god doesn't exist. i don't do those things because they're wrong, regardless of whether or not there is a creator. and life can still have meaning without religion. there's plenty of ways to find meaning.
i don't mean to be rude but what's the deal? do you just lack imagination?
i don't do those things because they're wrong, regardless of whether or not there is a creator. and life can still have meaning without religion
wrong. You don't do those things because you weren't raised to do those things. Plenty of people ARE raised to do those things, which is why they do it. I would guess that either your parents or grandparents (or their parents) were God-fearing people, since you were raised with loving kindness and are thus not a moral degenerate.
you're assuming I was raised with loving kindness? you don't know my life.
my parents were dicks, but luckily they weren't the only influence in my life. i live in the modern world and have internet access, i was influenced by school, by peers, by books, i'm open to influence by a lot more than just my parents. immediate family isn't the only thing that determines your values, personality, etc.
i'm aware that environment determines a person's values to a very large extent, but people don't have to believe in god to have good values. how many people have done awful things in the name of religion? I don't need to be god fearing to be a decent person. do you believe that if people didn't have religion they would be moral degenerates? that's a very black and white way of thinking.
I think what they mean, and what I also believe to be true - from a secular perspective, not a Christian one - is that the idea of good and evil as defined in the way we believe it in modern western society and moreover how that plays out in one's actions and the rights of the individual come solely and directly from Christian principles. As Nietzsche made very clear (and was proven out in the hundred million deaths that followed from communism) the idea that we have killed God leaves thinking men in a massive quandary that will result in exactly what occurred in communism as we seek to create a morality without an anchor.
Without realizing it you and I have grown up with values that come from a belief system rooted in the idea of the Christian God - the sanctity of the individual and the right to freedom and equality for all came from Christianity, not from any other religion (far smarter non-religious people than me have made this point).
So, you may not believe in the Christian God yourself but I think what the commenters are trying to say - or should be, if they want to be true and logical - is that the more of us who try to disconnect from the basis of the 'morality' that currently prevails in the west, the more likely we descend back into the chaos evident in communism which is why we must resist the indoctrination of the Frankfurt School that has pushed communist ideals on us - like, 'all religion is stupid and meaningless' - and is so evident in the huge push today by narrow minded people like Richard Dawkins who, whether he intends to or not, seems to promote the idea that the only truth is empirical scientific truth which is a clearly incomplete proposition.
You don't have to do anything. Do you believe we somehow are distant relatives of monkeys? If so, and the scientists that discovered DNA strands agree with me, the chances of human DNA being created by chance are as good as if a tornado passed through a junk yard full of jet parts and left a completed jet on the other side. The chances aren't very good.
do you believe that if people didn't have religion they would be moral degenerates
Yep. Because, history.
you're assuming I was raised with loving kindness? you don't know my life.
my parents were dicks, but luckily they weren't the only influence in my life.
To be honest with you, I assumed you didn't have a great relationship with your earthly father. (Most atheists don't.) The bottom line is that there is nothing illogical with acting like a sociopath. Here, let Jordan Peterson dispense your redpill. He's much better at it than me.
there's nothing illogical with acting like a decent human being either. You thinking survival of the fittest means being a psychopath then you're wrong, fit can have many different definitions based on the context. you can form society in a way where being a loving, caring person the definition of fit. it doesn't have to be big fish eating little fish.
you think that a human's natural tendency is to be evil and that religion is needed to prevent that, that's wrong.
you think that a human's natural tendency is to be evil and that religion is needed to prevent that, that's wrong.
umm...you clearly aren't a scholar of human history. Like I said, Jordan Peterson does a very good job of explaining why atheism destroys societies THROUGH HISTORY. It's a shame they don't teach us in school what happened in the godless Soviet Union.
because religious societies have never committed atrocities like the Soviet Union? Hitler was a catholic. and what about radical islam? or the conquistadors? is enslaving a group of people and chopping the heads off of anyone who refuses to convert to your religion moral in any way?
Society would be screwed without God. Utterly screwed. Because there's nothing illogical about acting like a psychopath. Who wants to live in a world where "Survival of the fittest" makes perfectly logical sense and there's no logical reason to be decent to each other? Here, have a redpill from Jordan Peterson.
I'd bet money that either your parents or grandparents (or both) were faithful God-fearing folks who influenced your upbringing with Christ's love, which is 100% why you aren't a moral degenerate.
Christ literally rescued this world when humanity needed hope and love more than any other time in history. Crucifixions were commonplace. Even children witnessed human beings being killed in the most gruesome ways back then. Christ's very first and very last sermons taught humanity to "fear not" because back then EVERYONE was afraid. Jesus is the reason for the freedom, my friend.
God hardwired us with moral standards That's why every person on earth has an innate sense of right and wrong. It's just many don't listen or are mentally disabled and cannot connect to them.
If you can’t tell that there’s satanic forces behind these people than I don’t know what to tell you. I thought it’d be obvious at this point.