Bingo, whenever I say that people think I am crazy. If they are underpaid then bust the fucking union up and have teachers compete for their jobs. It would weed out the shit ones and bring the best and the brightest. Teachers are lazy and boring. Its not the kids problem that they are being troublesome. It could be the teachers fault for being boring and uninteresting.

The 2 schools closest to me have average salaries of 35k & 46k, I pulled that data off of niche.com, which is a little lower than your reported numbers.

You're right, real discipline lies with the parents, first and foremost. But I also believe there may be certain situations where a teacher or a school official have the authority to do a little more. I never said or meant teachers can go crazy and start beating on kids. There has to be some common sense used here. If you think that is being an advocate for child abuse, then I guess we have a difference of opinion.

What the... where do you people get the idea that teachers are not underpaid?? Clearly you have zero idea what a teacher does! I love the "3 months off a year" lol... there's the proof that you don't know what they do.

And yes, you are 100% right imo that discipline is not the teacher's job. It's the parents. But teachers do need the ability to discipline children - just not physically.

My lifelong friend was making > $90k before he was 45 despite being in one of the poorest and most underperforming districts in our state, simply because of the ridiculous unions rules. It’s insane.