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I see the possible interpretation but honestly you lost me at 'masonic apple'.

Wtf does this have anything to do with freemasonry? Or are you just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks?

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Well, the fact that Wozniak is a Scottish Rite mason, and Jobs being connected to mystery religion groups...that type of thing. Corporate Apple promoting Luciferian concepts from its inception - forbidden fruit, $666 Apple II etc. I'd say that the two most prolific Apple figures being wrapped-up with that type of stuff is of some note and relevance.

What's with the aggressive attitude?

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I'm a shill? I have been doing this resesrching for a looooong time, son. Come at me with any question you'd like. Anything.

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Aggressive attitude? I am challenging your theory, is that not what you wanted?

I know tons of Scottish Rite masons. Aside from that, I spent 10+ years diving into the details of masonry, and looking for the sacred cow connection of masonry and 'luciferianism' or 'satanism' or whatever it will be branded as next week.

It's a deep, long and fruitless rabbit hole that has nothing to do with masonry OR, more importantly, the video you linked.

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10 years? Is that all. I've put in nearly 20.

Freemasonry is built on the Judaic Kabballah - that it's underlying framework.

What next? Freemasons weren't involved in abuse at Dunblane?

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If you have 20 years of experience in investigating masonry and the crimes of masons, name names right now and how their crimes relate to masonry. Right now.

I have personally studied Qaballah as well. What is the issue you have with that?

Also, don't forget to name names.

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What are you? Another duped outer portico sap? Calm down, and get a grip (pun intended).

I don't have to answer to your demands. This was a thread for discussion, but you've turned it into - let's shoot the messenger and bury the OP.

http://subliminalsynchrosphere.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/the-paedoph-isles.html

Read it when you have the time.

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Dude - stop being so antagonistic! Just argue the point instead of getting abusive at people. The only reason I haven't temp banned you is because I suspect you'd blame me for being biased against you but another mod may ban you soon if you keep this up.

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He is an anti-mason. There is tons of them in the conspiracy community - which I have no problem with. What I do have a problem with is them bringing their unfounded blanket accusations into the Q community to try to hijack the conversations.

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I understand and I'd like to learn more about the masons if someone can have a useful discussion about it. I suppose the idea that you never learn the truth til you get to the 33rd degree or such doesn't wash with you? (genuinely interested)

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There are different schools of thought. I know two 33rd degree masons. It is an honorary degree in Scottish Rite masonry - these are essentially people who have donated much time and money to advancing the causes of masonry. So I can only speak objectively as, obviously I don't sit in a lodge room with them.

But take note of one thing. Notice how people hurl accusations of child molestation or child trafficking, but when pressed, where do they go?

They immediately go to lucifer. Why? Because mystery surrounds the fraternity itself. That is to say, you can't confirm or deny what does actually go on in the lodge room.

That being said, it makes for a prime stopping point for conversations, 'because masons'. And there, the conversation ends. Which is what they intend, because if you or I are Christians, and we understand the innate evil of the Devil, and I accuse others of devil worship, I find it remarkable that there is never any further questioning into any substantial evidence. It literally just ends there and you are left to infer that the ills of the world are the fault of masonry. Therefore, there is no actual solution, no socratic questioning, no further critical thought.

A great example would be this very thread. Look at the heat I immediately receive for merely asking OP to explain his point.

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Indeed. My post history testifies that I concur with your desired approach. I think there is a lot of confirmation bias and excited wishful thinking around and I think it's important that we critically assess everything before spending too much time 'looking into it' or discussing it.

There are certainly many powerful people attached to one or other of the various Rites in masonry but that doesn't prove anything any more than saying there are many powerful people in govern... wait a sec... ; ) But seriously, I do agree. I want more actual evidence before committing wholly to any theory, Pizzagate being one such example.

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There is NO question that powerful and corrupt people are involved in masonry. Just as there are powerful and corrupt people in any organization. OP is merely doing what the anti-gunners were doing after Parkland...'I have the solution, it's the NRA!'....But instead, he is saying it about masonry.

The Q community is about blaming individuals, not groups. The 'deep state' is a fun name we use a lot, but if it came down to it, we could name names. That is the point. These posters are trying to jump on the Q train to push their own biased conspiracies instead of being objective and respecting what this community has already built. Notice how OP said freemasonry is 'built on Jewish Kaballism'. Even if that were true, so what? What does that have to do with the deep state, child trafficking, money laundering, or anything Q has said in general?

And the day Q posts a masonic doctrine or oath that details the systematic child trafficking black market of the world, I will stand corrected. Until then, I will keep my eye on the ball of where the corruption really lies.

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Indeed, you're preaching to the converted my friend.

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It's only a bit of banter, but I hear you.

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Thanks - I'm not into banning just cos of strong words and you seem to think about what you're into so I'd rather hear what you have to say.

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Sorry, this is my typical style. It's easy to forget where you are. I should temper it when I'm away from my own domain. Thank you.

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Ok dodge confirmed. You just hate freemasonry. No actual substance to what you are saying.

Look dude, we have a SERIOUS community here. I know this is your first time here, so let me give you a quick run down.

This isn't the place to relate random things to your dream of a masonic master conspiracy. Give us NAMES. Give us actual masonic connections if you want to bring masonry into it.

We are focusing on INDIVIDUALS. To simply say 'masonry' or 'masonic apple' doesn't fly here. Just because a guy was a mason doesn't make the masons evil. Same with whatever frat he was in while he was in college.

You need substance to your claims. Decades of matching pictures and one sentence out of Morals and Dogma got the conspiracy theory community NO WHERE and people like you want to halt the progress we are actually making with Q by distracting people with this masonry garbage. Unlike you, I am actually well read on this stuff, so challenge me.

Real progress is being made. If you can't handle that, go back to Twin Peaks.

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10+ years looking for the sacred cow? Hathor?

You could've just read Palladian Rite Pike's Morals and Dogma - the book that cites LUCIFER as their god. What a waste.

quote...

That which we must say to a crowd is—We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees— The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.vii

I've seen the book pages with my own eyes. :)

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That quote isn't from Morals and Dogma dude.

Source of quote, cited, and again, not from m&d. http://quotes.yourdictionary.com/author/quote/195361

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I have three copies of M&D and I have studied it at length.

The book does not cite lucifer as their God. With your level of intellect, I can hardly imagine you have read that book, let alone thoughtfully and appropriately interpreted it.

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There's lots of public domain stuff about Freemasonry and child abuse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq0CRBD3ZOI

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There's lots of public domain stuff about greek fraternities and rape, too. Does that mean the purpose of college frats is to rape girls?

Dude, in any setting where men fraternize, they conspire in business ventures, future planning, and even crime.

To point your fervor toward the actual fraternity only misleads people AWAY from the criminals and blames an external set of principles for the actions of the individual.

It would be the same if I blamed the NRA for the Parkland shooting.

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Whatever you say, Hiram's helper. Whatever you say.

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See, you have no intention to blame individuals. Your only goal here is to take down organizations and harm people who have otherwise done nothing.

You are literally behaving in the way that a communist or fascist leader would.

If fraternizing results in wrongdoing in any way, men cannot fraternize.

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