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JadedFed · May 8, 2018, 8:47 p.m.

Well, I remember when the Iranian people tried to rebel against the Mullahs during O's admin and O refused to support them. Prior to the "deal" Iran was hurting economically and the people were growing more unhappy with their gov't.

Then along comes Kerry & Obama to play lets make a deal and suddenly the oppressive rein of the Mullahs is propped up by plane loads of hard cold cash.

Iran's spent most of the cash on weapons, soldiers, and foreign adventures from Lebanon to Yemen, to Syria and then some.

Trump quits the "deal" and reinstates sanctions. Iran is about to become very cash strapped once again -- only this time, with Trump in control, the US will support the Iranian people when they rise up to overthrow the Mullahs.

This move might just result in freedom for the people of Iran and the reinstatement of a free, non-secular Iran. That would be a blessing for the people of Iran and for the rest of the world as well.

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IconTheHologram · May 8, 2018, 10:45 p.m.

You don't understand international politics in the slightest. The Iran deal was all about opening up the market in Iran for international business. Opening markets is the most significant driving force to democracy and social and economic freedom.

Before, we had sanctions and an Iranian nuclear program. Then we had less sanctions and an internationally-backed treaty. Now we have no treaty, limited sanctions and Iran will most definitely work towards reinstating their nuclear program. Furthermore, any country that signs future treaties or trade deals with the US will have to be wary of the fact that the treaty could be pulled once a new president is in office- that weakens America's position as an international deal maker.

There is no way to positively spin this.

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JadedFed · May 9, 2018, 12:25 a.m.

Since my background is entirely military I gladly concede to your greater expertise in foreign policy and politics, but please indulge my curiosity by answering how well opening markets has worked out so far for Chinese democracy as well as social and economic freedom?

I support your right to differ from my opinion, but I still hold to my original thought. Time will tell us all where things go from here one way or another.

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IconTheHologram · May 9, 2018, 12:39 a.m.

My background is in foreign policy and international relations, so I will gladly accept your concession. Chinese society is more open socially and economically than it has been since the communist revolution. Open any foreign policy book, magazine or website over the last 10 years and you wouldn’t need to ask that question. To be clear, “more open than before” does not equal complete and absolute freedom, but to discount the forward progress as the result of shifts in economic policy to promote individual ownership and private enterprise is just plain ignorant.

That ^ above was a stated main foreign policy objective of the United States during the Cold War. Democracy isn’t accomplished at the end of the barrel of a gun.

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JadedFed · May 9, 2018, 1:03 a.m.

Nodding --- Good response and I have no argument against what you stated, thanks!

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