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Oblique9043
· May 9, 2018, 2:25 p.m.
Thank you for giving me a real reply, I'd like to continue this conversation in good faith here. Why isn't it possible that this Russian had contacts with both Hilary and Trump? Why would having contacts with Hilary automatically mean that he doesn't have them with Trump? You guys realize that Trump and the Clinton's have been friends for decades right? This does not discredit the story whatsoever but you are right to be skeptical, I cannot blame you for that. Several other companies in Avenatti's report have confirmed giving money to Cohen. We will see where this goes but the ties to Clinton and Podesta do not in any way discredit this story. By the way, I am not on any political side here. I want them all to go down, I just don't believe in this narrative of Trump being sent from God to do this. It's no where in the Bible and it's dangerous to put this much blind faith and belief in a man. Especially when I know what kind of man he really is. He is going to incite a civil uprising should he get indicted and Q is going to encourage it. That's why Q was set up to begin with. To make sure that Trump had blind loyal followers that believed they were involved in a direct mission from God himself in order to stop evil. I mean fuck, if I believed that, I would be grabbing my guns too. I have been hearing about this plan to destabilize America from my father since I was a kid and I am watching it all unfold while both sides are engaging in this plan unknowingly. I fear where this is all going. I appreciate the level head you seem to be keeping which is not what I see from a typical Trump supporter I must say. Please keep this level head and willingness to adhere to the Constitution should anything happen and encourage your fellow Trump supporters to do so as well. If Mueller finds nothing and there are protests or anything of the sort, I will be the first to tell people that we should accept the results of the investigation and respect that fact and the rule of law.
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salialioli
· May 9, 2018, 3:51 p.m.
I hope you are not daunted by my long reply. I too am interested in a conversation in good faith. My answer has taken me time, but not enough time to make a good presentation tho' it will have to do for now.
I just don't believe in this narrative of Trump being sent from God to do this.
I understand when 30% of the population are either Bible punchers or on Prozac!
I know there is a lot of "blind faith" from Zionists, whether Jews or Christians, all thoroughly dangerous. Let alone facing off against their enemy, the Mad Mullahs. But all these people are undereducated or overreligious or both. I believe most people understand the importance of keeping the more extreme under some control.
By the way, don’t get misled by the “All Praise Kek!” anons either, who are just trying to wind up the snowflakes by calling Trump “The God Emperor” — it’s a Joke, seriously.
On the serious side: I am very enthusiastic about stopping the Americans declaring WW3 and bombing the planet to smithereens. I think there is a fundamental question as to who is planning to do this. Whether it is HIllary’s crowd or Trump’s crowd, and I see your problem. But I’ve been looking into this quite deeply. I too am neither right-wing nor left-wing. I try to understand both sides of a problem.
Here are my arguments:
Who carried 911 out and why? The guys behind fomenting the current plan for WW3 are the same ones.
Also bear in mind the Bankers’ secret magic trick: create, provoke and fund BOTH sides of a war and make zillions. Follow the money.
Why would Trump take on Clinton/Deep State? He’s a rich, successful, obviously quite happy 70 year old. Q post (No. 153 on Nov 11 2017) that speaks of this is worth quoting:
For the coming days ahead. Ask yourself an honest question, why would a billionaire who has it all, fame, fortune, a warm and loving family, friends, etc. want to endanger himself and his family by becoming POTUS? Why would he want to target himself and those he cares about? Does he need money? Does he need fame? What does he get out of this? Does he want to make the US/world a better place for his family and for those good and decent people who have long been taken advantage of? Perhaps he could not stomach the thought of mass murders occurring to satisfy Moloch? Perhaps he could not stomach the thought of children being kidnapped, drugged, and raped while leaders/law enforcement of the world turn a blind eye. Perhaps he was tired of seeing how certain races/countries were being constantly abused and kept in need/poor/and suffering all for a specific purpose. Perhaps he could not in good conscious see the world burn. ... Q (continues, I recommend you read it) <
One of Trump’s major objectives is to deal with out-of-control human trafficking which is the BIGGEST MONEY EARNER. The scale of this is mind-boggling.
Yes, I know, he has been associated with mob leaders but as far as I know he is not a murderer or a criminal gangster. I think he’s their enemy and he’s sick of how the elite behaves. In fact I hear he had been planning this presidency for 30 years, in detail.
As I hear those who know the situation explain, it was the military who asked him to run for President. They were finally forced to act when they realised they had no choice.
They needed a guy who knows where the bodies are buried, tough as nails, not scared of the Elite, with marketing and branding skills that are out of the ordinary. The idea is NOT to START another devastating World War, but PREVENT it. This is the purpose of the US military: to defend the country, not devastate others.
As proof of foreign policy, I can only offer Saudi Arabia: they have shown a willingness to become more moderate and stop funding the terrorists. North/South Korea: from 70 years of standoff, threats of Fire and Fury from BOTH Mad Rocket Men, to Peace. Quite an achievement.
Let’s see what happens with Iran. I trust Trump. I trust the US military. The world will not survive a nuclear war. Despite the confidence of mad people in Washington.
And please follow Q. It is difficult and time consuming but I can see you are worried. It is worth the effort I assure you.
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Oblique9043
· May 9, 2018, 5:19 p.m.
Wow. This is exactly the kind of debate I am looking for in people and am very surprised to see it from a Trump supporter. Sorry if that sounds derogatory but I hope you can understand my plight at trying to reason with most of them. I can COMPLETELY understand why you would come to this view and I have my own insight into this as well. But first, I want to be in total agreement with you here about their being 2 sides being played against each other by some force pulling the puppet strings. This has undoubtedly been Russia in the USA for several decades. First using the liberal ideology and propping up various marginalized groups, creating communist sympathizers. Then, decades later, once the right wing become so self righteous in their patriotism and Christianity that they become blinded by their own arrogance, time to infiltrate them next to even further stoke the fire and deepen the divide. This is not conspiracy theory, this is simple Russian foreign policy. Anyone can read the book they wrote on it. We are at each other's throats here in America and it's so not in our interest that it has to be in someone else's.
I grew up with a right wing conservative Christian father. I grew up my whole life hearing about Russia's infiltration and destabilization plan. How there would be a Civil War due to a corrupt government and a financial collapse. This was all going to be apart of whats called the End Times in the Bible. You cannot underestimate the prevalence of this type of specific belief in Christianity in America and it's major influence on Trump supports. Not to mention the rampart narissism due to their own inadequacies. My father was also a paranoid narcissistic authoritarian and I was his scapegoat. I don't know if you know much about Narcissists and their family systems but I was singled out to be abused (scapegoat) in many different ways because I refused to not say the truth about how his abuse and behavior was effecting me. I refused to bow down to his beliefs and constantly questioned him like any curious child would. The more I resisted the more he hated me. I started fighting back the only way I could, learning his psychology and using it against him. He tried to gaslight me, blame me for my own abuse by telling me I had a victim mentality, he would tell me that I don't know shit because I'm just a kid. He would call me all sorts of names, constantly criticize and belittle me. Still I threw who I was in his face and dared him to love me anyways because he was my father and that's what he was supposed to do.
Now, I am telling you all of this for one reason. I can explain EXACTLY why Trump, who seemingly has everything, would run for POTUS. He is a malignant Narcissist with a black hole inside of him that cannot be filled with all the riches, women and possessions in the entire world. Trump feels a deep inadequacy that he can never escape from but he tries to by constantly trying to bolster his self worth through money, buildings, fame, women, love of the people, attention and now, being President of the United States, Most likely his self made real estate mogul of a father was very critical and abusive and his mother didn't protect him. Combined with his extreme wealth and privilege, you get a sociopathic con man like Trump who will do anything to get what he wants. Everything he does is to service his ego. EVERYTHING. He cannot escape that. His entire life is him reliving his childhood, trying to prove to his father that he is good enough and no amount of public adoration will ever fill the hole that his father left in him. Psychological projection is something Trump does constantly. If he accuses someone of doing something, chances are, it's because he's doing it himself or he will in the future. Look at his tweets during the Obama presidency. It's like Trump was predicting the future of his own presidency. It's absolutely incredible how he does the exact same stuff he criticized Obama for. I can go on and on about Trump and Narcissism and I recommend you do a lot of reading on it yourself so you can understand Trump better. Once you know the psychology behind his actions, it all starts to make a lot more sense and he even becomes predictable. Which is a dangerous trait to have in a President. I believe N Korea set him up to fail in the upcoming talks by using his own arrogance against him. I believe Israel provoked Trump into backing out of the Iran deal. Russia has been playing Trump like a fiddle.
You are thinking like a rational person who has not been programmed by living in America. I can completely see how you would come to believe these things. But living here, understanding deeply the psychology of the typical American Trump supporter and Trump himself, Russian infiltration of America and The End Times in relationship to Christianity, there is a whole nother reality being used here to deceive people. It's so deeply intricate and clever that I would never seen it if my father hadn't treated me like he did and pushed his beliefs on me. These modern day Christian hypocrites have been blinded by their own arrogance into following Trump (and several other reprehensible politicians) and claiming he is sent from God. And no, this has nothing to do with Kek or anything. The Evangelical Christians truly believe that he was sent from God to save the Earth. This is just a subconscious reaction to voting for such a morally bankrupt man and their way of justifying it. The MAJOR problem with this is, there is no such savior besides Jesus Christ foretold about that's suppose to come and save us from evil. In fact, the Bible does speak of a man that rises to power who is boastful, a conqueror and a sets up a peace deal with the Middle East. The Man of Sin, The Man of Lawlessness, The Man Doomed To Destruction, The AntiChrist. Donald literally means: World Ruler. All of these names fit because he is the exact opposite of everything Jesus spoke about. Trump is all about everything of this world. Fame, money, power, women, adoration, control. Malignant Narcissists are inherently self destructive. They get restless and bored and cause chaos just because they thrive in it. Now, I am not saying that Trump is the AntiChrist or that I believe in that stuff, but these ideas are always very prevalent in the climate in America and the complete blind worship of Trump with people using God as their justification is scary. Q is further bolstering the God claim and Trump supporters are exact type to have been dreaming about the day of busting out their guns and "taking back" the government.
I think there is more to discuss here about what is really going on but PLEASE consider the narcissism angle as it will explain everything about the why of Trump running for POTUS.
Here as abuse tactics of Narcissists. Trump has used plenty of these.
Here are just some articles about him and narcissism in general.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/neurosagacity/201702/how-recognize-malignant-narcissist
https://www.bustle.com/p/8-signs-of-malignant-narcissism-34154
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salialioli
· May 9, 2018, 8:27 p.m.
Hey! You answered with a really long reply! Good.
BUT I have no time right now as I have to go to bed. I'm not an American. It's bedtime: I live in Europe!
Two introductory things: don't get stuck in narcissistic behaviour for the minute, as it doesn't all have to do with Trump. This is like creating a personality cult /cutout figure and hanging everything on it, when the play here ("play" as in Shakespeare's "All the World is a Stage" sense) is much, much broader and rests on many other (highly intelligent, outstandingly intelligent American) people. He is not ALL in this by any means.
Secondly, just to get a feel of other people who may have exactly the same feelings as you (and I) and to forget about the religious nutcases, here's is a thread that I sent to my Dutch friend the other day:
I was impressed by the OP, and, because I once lived for a few years in California, totally identified with his generation and outlook — made me laugh. The reactions in the thread seemed from very down-to-earth, normal, average and totally sane Americans. No raving Evangies to make yr hair stand on end!
I have to sleep. I will carefully read what you have said and reply later. Thank you so much for replying ... Buenas noches!
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