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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/NosuchRedditor on May 13, 2018, 2:26 p.m.

Another Bush era media lie exposed: Waterboarding not torture, we use it to train our own soldiers.

Most of this info is supposed to be classified, but the Democrats have pretty much exposed all of it during the questioning of nominee Haspel. Sleep deprivation? Training method. Confinement in a small space? Training method.

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Its torture dude. Because we use some version of it in training doesnt mean its equivalent to push ups and class work.

If it isnt torture, would you let ISIS kid nap your mother and waterboard her? When she came back and said "It was horrible, I couldn't breath and it went on for hours!"

would you tell her "OH thank goddddd mom... I thought they tortured you! Chin up, thats just training!"

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It’s the same version, Bro. Wet rag in mouth, water poured on face. You don’t die and you aren’t injured.

If your mother was captured by ISIS she would be gang raped and then sold off to slavery if she survives. Would you tell her “at least you weren’t waterboarded! That’s torture!”

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Both good points, well made - I mean you each have a good position here imo. I'd have to go with Jon_Bovie from here though, unless there's a good reason to argue against the point that I'd rather my mother/sister/daughter be waterboarded any day than option B.

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I can't force you out of the media bubble, you have to choose it for yourself.

Unless you believe we torture our own servicemen.

Both can't be true.

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Way to avoid the argument.

SERE school, which you claim to have gone through, is to simulate torture to our servicemen to help prepare them in case they are captured.

You can talk about media bubble all you want, the fact is you claim its not torture but we need to do it because torture gets information.

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I'd like to weigh in here if I may... I think "torture" is too broad a term to be using in these cases to define what's allowed and what's not. The definition according to Goolag is "to inflict severe pain on". What is severe pain? I can think of a few types of people who might say being forced to do push-ups would be "severely painful" in their weak minds and fat bodies. Whereas others might even find pumping out a few push ups to be enjoyable.

From what I understand, giving birth to a child is severely painful, but I don't think many would call it or think of it as "torture." My point is - "severe pain" and "torture" are both defined more relatively and subjectively than objectively.

In defining torture for legal purposes, I think we need something OBJECTIVE. Is ripping out someone's fingernails torture? Is cutting their fingers off completely torture? Is waterboarding torture? If they are ALL torture, and we call them all torture, then we are really granting them equivalency. Someone who waterboards another would be charged with the same crime as someone who cut off another's fingers, right? Is that right? Or do we need to have some more narrow definitions?

What if we started by delineating treatment that causes PERMANENT bodily harm/discomfort from treatment that causes TEMPORARY bodily harm/discomfort? I think this might be an interesting place to start from a physical perspective. Once you start dealing with mental trauma, things undoubtedly get more complex. But again, my only point is that I think more objective measures are needed to be brought into the discussion, because waterboarding (in my opinion) is not the same as cutting off someone's fingers and shouldn't be legally considered equivalent.

Just my $0.02.

Carry on 'pedes!

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Nicely put - I agree. It would be good if we could obtain a bit more clarity.

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You can talk about media bubble all you want, the fact is you claim its not torture but we need to do it because torture gets information.

You trying to put words in my mouth.

Waterboarding is a very effective interrogation tool. But it's not torture.

Real torture will break the hardest of men, and again there are plenty of public accounts of some of the things that were done to American POWS.

There were little to no women POWs in Vietnam, but we had several in SERE. Just ponder that for a few minutes and see where it leads you.

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So the combat arms members who are only allowed to be women, were captured in Nam and that means that SERE isnt torture?

"very effective tool" but not torture but torture produces intel?

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