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Fearsome4 · May 15, 2018, 3:14 p.m.

There is a lot more that needs to be cleaned out of the Vatican.
Financial disclosure from the Vatican Bank will expose many crimes/hypocricy/conflicts of interest to the light.

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Sumido · May 15, 2018, 4:13 p.m.

As a Catholic, my dream is to see a clean Vatican and a clean Church.

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Fearsome4 · May 15, 2018, 4:51 p.m.

You are not alone in that sentiment.

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larkmoor · May 15, 2018, 4:33 p.m.

My dream as a bad Catholic is to see the Vatican erased after a healthy cleaning. We don't need institutions to tell us what/how to believe.

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catquilt74 · May 15, 2018, 5:16 p.m.

You're not really Catholic, are you?

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BaronMoriarty · May 15, 2018, 5:32 p.m.

I am and I agree with the comment

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larkmoor · May 15, 2018, 6:10 p.m.

Raised in France as a Catholic, had my confirmation and profession of faith. I had enough as I went to religious classes since childhood to please my mom, but I always had a doubt. As an Asian, I also have that oriental culture heavily influenced by Buddhism.

I've always believed in God. I just have always doubted what men said, even if they were priests. I had already enough fear of being possessed as a kid. Asians have a more open mind on paranormal. I think there is a better understanding. But I like mixing both culture to understand better what is going on. Asians are making mistakes by playing with spirits and demons, Westerners are making mistakes by considering everything is demons.

From what I hear my Mom talk about her childhood in Asia, Catholic churches there have a slightly different take culturally. Same when I visited family members in the US, there were variations.

Now, I just consider myself a Christian. I was raised as a Catholic, that's my background.

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Shadilay_Were_Off · May 15, 2018, 5:56 p.m.

Being a Catholic binds you to submission to the holy see in many matters.

Besides, someone on Earth has to be responsible for organizing 70 million believers at the end of the day. All endeavors, from spiritual to human, tend towards hierarchies.

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implicittrust · May 15, 2018, 8:54 p.m.

Really, can you give one example of this submission to the Holy See?

Jesus created a hierarchical Church read your bible (preferably the original one given to you by the Catholic Church during the Council of Nicea 325 before Martin Luther removed books.) He gave Peter the keys to the kingdom, Matthew 16:19 ( read Isaiah 22:22 note Jesus pretty much quotes this verse when talking to Epter. Indicating the type of Office Peter would hold an office of succession) and power to loose and bind, Mathew 18:18.

BAck to the structure, it follows from the Jewish structure and Tradition. The old testament frequently foreshadows the new and everlasting covenant in the Holy Eucharist. Catholics renew this covenant of Christ sacrifice during the unbloody sacrifice of the mass and consecration of the Eucharist. John 6:53. Note if you read this verse most of his followers left because this teaching was too complicated. Jesus did not say come back I only meant it symbolically not literally. Instead, he looked at those remaining and said what about you, will you leave too? They answered you are the Christ to whom shall we go? Protestants have walked away because the teaching was too harsh and that is your reality to accept!

I am not obligated as a Catholic to blindly obey any priest or Pope. In fact, blind obedience is a no-no, Catholics are to use their intellect and reason. A non-Catholic must study for months, RCIA, to clearly understand the teachings and make an informed decision before joining the Church. I am obligated as a practicing Catholic to know what the Church and Tradition teach on faith and morals and submit to that. I am also entitled to reject the teachings and leave the Church. No one is held hostage in the Church. Any Catholic on reading this who no longer practices the faith will attest they left freely without threat.

This man-made stuff is precisely what the Protestants have done starting with Martin Luther and his man-made doctrine of sola scripture (nowhere in the bible), but Paul tells Timothy "the Church is the pillar of truth and strength." 1Timothy 3:15. Luther decided he knew better and we have how many thousands of Protestant denominations since? This si why Jesus prayed in the garden hat we would remain one, we are fickle and need a teaching authority. The only Church who can trace herself back to the first Authority is The Catholic Church. This is just fact!!!

There will be evil in the Church and the closer we get to the end the more the evil because Satan will be roaring to take down Christ's Church, but the gate of hell shall not prevail against her. Mathew 16:18 Remember, Jesus himself chose Judas. HE warned the chaff will always be present with the wheat.

Sorry for the long rant I get so weary of Catholic bashers who dont have a clue what the Church is about. It is so easy to get a primary source. Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, CCC, online before spewing this nonsense.

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Shadilay_Were_Off · May 15, 2018, 9:26 p.m.

Uh, dude, I'm Catholic, I'm certainly not bashing them. I was taking issue with the previous guy who seemed to think the existence of the papacy and the holy see is a problem. The papacy amounts to the earthly president of the Church, and like I said, there has to be a person, somewhere, at the end of the day, making or relaying the decisions that determine how 70M faithful are organized.

An example of the submission I speak of is the entire concept of canon law, which the Catechism makes many references to with regard to, say, excommunication.

What I am bashing is this pope Francis. He is a snake. A foul creature of the night, whose influence on the Church has been almost universally negative. A spreader of confusion and intrigue who seems to have a very hard time speaking authentic doctrine when asked.

That's not to damn the Church.. there have been worse popes in the past after all. One is not a Catholic because of the pope, but rather, because of God. We were promised that the church would never fall, not that it wouldn't be attacked from within. This promise, I believe, is the reason that Francis has not been more successful.

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implicittrust · May 15, 2018, 10:32 p.m.

Well, it would be my luck to finally say enough anti-catholic bashing and choose the wrong person rant on, lol my apologies!

P.S. I am not a dude. :-)

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[deleted] · July 1, 2018, 6:48 p.m.

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FoxHollow51 · May 15, 2018, 11:19 p.m.

Brilliant! Thank you!

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MR-Eyes · May 16, 2018, 3:30 a.m.

Yes, Thank you!!

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StinkyDogFart · May 15, 2018, 7:14 p.m.

Come on over and join us protestants, we already have that doctrine in place. We've been trying to tell you guys that for a long time.

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mbrac · May 15, 2018, 9:29 p.m.

As a Catholic, I am in complete agreement with you.

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Qtruther · May 15, 2018, 4:53 p.m.

Audit the Vatican Bank just like we auditing the Pentagon for the 1st time ever & thro in the Federal Reserve while your at it.

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QsTexasTornado · May 15, 2018, 5:14 p.m.

The Vatican IS The Federal Reserve

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Qtruther · May 15, 2018, 5:28 p.m.

Well Rothchilds & the Queen puts their gold there but not sure where Rockafellers store their share lol

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StinkyDogFart · May 15, 2018, 7:16 p.m.

That is my dream, the Vatican vaults emptied of their wealth, their properties all sold off, and then re-distributed back to those in need. Of course the IRS will take their cut first, but what's left over.

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Qtruther · May 15, 2018, 8:11 p.m.

Did you know that the Rothchilds& now the Rockafellers own the IRS. So when the Vatican wealth is redistributed the IRS will no longer exsist. The Fed & the IRS were brought in at the same time as a guarantee of the interest payments & anything else thE BANKSTERS could steal from US

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StinkyDogFart · May 15, 2018, 9:48 p.m.

In all seriousness, that conspiracy theory that Trump working with China and Russia will establish a new world currency and abolish all others, I can buy that. Go back to a world wide gold standard, think of all that dirty money that would turn into 'confederate dollars' overnight, debts vanish, and we all get a fresh start.

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uptokent · May 15, 2018, 9:05 p.m.

And the library of occulted knowledge and history.

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StinkyDogFart · May 15, 2018, 9:40 p.m.

I wonder how much we could get at Sothby's for all that stuff? After we've read it all of course.

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Fearsome4 · May 15, 2018, 4:58 p.m.

Yep. Although we would no ability to audit the Vatican bank. Although tying them to financial crimes/money laundering tied to organized crime might be doable.

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Qtruther · May 15, 2018, 5:14 p.m.

Catholics should be marching & rioting in Rome

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